Ya BL, I guess what I was trying to say, apparently not very well, is that we don't really need to do core specific workouts, but should do other workouts that work the whole body out more. I think that is more useful. Have fun with the rope climbing. I used to love it, now my fat butt can't do it with my arms only, but I can still do the easy, use your legs way. I am finding I am really getting into some of the exercises I used to do in the Army on a regular basis. Seems to really kick my butt now. A lot of it seems to be similar to the Movnat stuff.