Article: Are Orthotics Really Ever Necessary? By Dr. Stephen Gangemi, a.k.a the Sock Doc

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Doc, I think you take this stuff way too seriously. In fact, you could probably get a 'script for antidepressants and antianxiety pills so you woudln't worry so much....

I think conventional medicine, acting in conjunction with the institutional industrio-nutritional enterprise are no more conscious or concerned with the negative effects of eating terrible and damaging "foods" than they are likely to encourage people to really think about eating less or excercising more.

Thanks for another very good article.
 
An orthopedist wanted to prescribe orthotics (he didn't believe I was running barefoot, and kept trying to get me to admit to running in Vibrams) for a tiny stress fracture that x-rays had revealed was already healing. Instead, I began running every other day instead of every day for a few weeks until the pain was completely gone. It was simply an overuse injury. Now I have to go back to see him for a nagging shoulder injury, because he's the guy my insurance will pay for. Oh well. Thanks for the article and your push for wholistic medicine/systems health care.
 
JosephTree Thank you?
 
Thanks for the timely reply, and the link. The shoulder injury is completely unrelated. I've had it for four years now. It occured when I did an upright row with too much weight in northern Mozambique. I was working out with a primitive weight set made out of paint buckets, concrete, and 3/4 tubing. I had two bars, one with 10 gallons of concrete on each end, and one with 20. I tried the upright row with the lighter bar, but needed a lower gradation. Since then my shoulder has felt sore whenever I do weights, but is usually OK otherwise. I wrote to you about it about a month ago on one of your sites. Now after more frustration trying to get my upper body into better shape, I've decided to get an MRI on it. Even if I ignore the doctor's treatment, he should be able to tell me exactly what I have, right? If you don't mind, I'd like to consult with you after I see him next Monday. All the best.
 
Thanks for the interesting post on orthotic usage.

I occasionally prescribe and cast for orthotics for my patients. (Though rarely for use when running - most orthotics are too stiff to wear when running, and one gives up too much proprioception)

Although I understand in theory the orientation you're espousng (why accomodate to the problem if you can fix it?) I think that you're expressing an idealist's point of view which could at times be tempered. For example, not everyone is equally fanatic about tracking down the minute details of his or her gait pattern to make subtle improvements.

Also, the diagnostic methods you're advocating - muscle testing, posture and gait analysis - though undoubtedly useful, aren't reliable or reproducible, are subject to lots of subjective interpretation, etc. One needs a lot of humility to practice manual therapy, a field in which we know we're doing something legitimate and important, yet in which direct, concrete landmarks are elusive.

Besides which, holding up the "natural" approach as the gold standard is also elusive and artificial. Is it "natural" to walk on concrete? Wear shoes with a narrow toe box? Why must we confine ourselves to "natural" interventions to deal with modern life?

Admittedly, I would also have trouble documenting the results I've gotten with orthotics or proving that their use is superior to some other potential intervention. Or showing the reliability or reproducibility of my methods.

I'm just doing the best I can, as I'm sure you are too.



Ronald Lavine, D.C.

www.yourbodyofknowledge.com
 
Bare Lee wrote:

Thanks for the timely reply, and the link. The shoulder injury is completely unrelated. I've had it for four years now. It occured when I did an upright row with too much weight in northern Mozambique. I was working out with a primitive weight set made out of paint buckets, concrete, and 3/4 tubing. I had two bars, one with 10 gallons of concrete on each end, and one with 20. I tried the upright row with the lighter bar, but needed a lower gradation. Since then my shoulder has felt sore whenever I do weights, but is usually OK otherwise. I wrote to you about it about a month ago on one of your sites. Now after more frustration trying to get my upper body into better shape, I've decided to get an MRI on it. Even if I ignore the doctor's treatment, he should be able to tell me exactly what I have, right? If you don't mind, I'd like to consult with you after I see him next Monday. All the best.



Re: the MRI question. Sure if it is coming directly from the area they are taking the image of then yes, it should give you insight to what is going on there, but not always. A MRI will not tell you why the problem is there or even necessarily where it is originiating from. For example - say it's bursitis. Well, now you have to figure out why that's there; why the bursa is inflamed. What about tendonitis? - maybe that's from another joint or muscle causing improper function of the shoulder joint.

Interesting injury! Good luck with it all; happy to try to help.
 
ronlavine wrote:

Thanks for the interesting post on orthotic usage.

(my replies in bold here)

I occasionally prescribe and cast for orthotics for my patients. (Though rarely for use when running - most orthotics are too stiff to wear when running, and one gives up too much proprioception) That's fine if that's what you use to help your patients get better. All orthotics, just like footwear, will affect proprioception and kinesthetic sense.

Although I understand in theory the orientation you're espousng (why accomodate to the problem if you can fix it?) I think that you're expressing an idealist's point of view which could at times be tempered. For example, not everyone is equally fanatic about tracking down the minute details of his or her gait pattern to make subtle improvements.I don't think it's fanatic and I think the details are much greater than minute. And I'd also say the improvements are more than subtle - they have to be in order for orthotics to not be needed.

Also, the diagnostic methods you're advocating - muscle testing, posture and gait analysis - though undoubtedly useful, aren't reliable or reproducible, are subject to lots of subjective interpretation, etc. One needs a lot of humility to practice manual therapy, a field in which we know we're doing something legitimate and important, yet in which direct, concrete landmarks are elusive. Aren't reliable? Seriously? If I see a muscle response change and then use that to determine treatment and the patient immediately notices a positive change I'd call that very reliable. Reproducible? - yes actually they are when used by a skilled practitioner. Typically the reliability has been shown to be very high when the skill level is 5+ years of manual muscle testing. Sure, unfortunately there are a lot of bad muscle testers out there and those who use bogus "arm pull-down" testing, but this is not the place to discuss that.

Besides which, holding up the "natural" approach as the gold standard is also elusive and artificial. Is it "natural" to walk on concrete? Wear shoes with a narrow toe box? Why must we confine ourselves to "natural" interventions to deal with modern life? Is it natural to walk on concrete? - It is in our day and time. Though not ideal, we need to adapt, and that's possible. Concrete is just as hard (mabe less than) surfaces many used to and still do walk on. I don't see how that has relevance to a "natural treatment." So you're saying since we don't live in a natural world anymore (but a modern world) then it's okay to use non-natural therapies (ie: orthotics)? Not for me.

Admittedly, I would also have trouble documenting the results I've gotten with orthotics or proving that their use is superior to some other potential intervention. Or showing the reliability or reproducibility of my methods.

I'm just doing the best I can, as I'm sure you are too. That's great. Really. If you take my article as a direct insult to your skills or practice because you use orthotics I am sorry, it is definitely not intended to be that way. The message is that if you're using orthotics for your patients, use them short-term and get them out of an acute phase ASAP and then wean-off so they can strengthen their feet and body again and not be stuck in a life of foot braces.

Ronald Lavine, D.C.

www.yourbodyofknowledge.com
 
Why do most insurance companies NOT cover orthotics?

And since when was running on a padded road, a.k.a., traditional running shoes, anymore natural than running on concrete?
 
I think a lot of insurance companies do cover orthotics, at least to some extent. At least that's what my patients tell me. I don't deal with insurance though so I can't be certain of that.

And yes, running on padded shoes and orthotics completely unnatural. So is me sitting at my computer right now and using a light in my house. The idea is to be as natural as possible in an unnatural world. I often hear the claim from orthotics and shoe-wearing pundits that you have to wear support and cushion when standing on today's modern surfaces - concrete, tile, etc. Definitely not. Actually the harder the surface the better. People used to walk, run and live on solid rock and hard earth (tundra). Many still do.
 
I couldn't agree more. I've spent around 15 years living in or around 'peasant' communities. The last thing anyone wants to walk on is a soft or sandy path. It's a lot more work than a hard, well-compacted surface. No different, really, from how a bicycle or car handles on those kinds of surfaces. It’s really discouraging when those trained in science still indulge in folk conceptualizations that have nothing to do with real folk!
 

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