Slow Motion Running Form Video Analysis - please help

BFwillie_g wrote:You're

BFwillie_g said:
You're running in invisible shoes. You're overstriding and bouncing up and down, you're even doing it going uphill, just like you'd see in any casual runner wearing big, puffy foot coffins. And this is going to cause you some serious trouble sooner or later.

Overstriding meaning that my feet go to much in front of me? That bouncing is already very limited compared to a couple years ago and the steps are already much shorter with higher cadence. The short steps come at the price of very limited foot-lift (which might also be a result of just energy conservation).

BFwillie_g said:
The 'rear' video gives me the impression that your core is weak, too. You don't seem to have a lot of control over what your legs are doing and it looks like they're actually crossing the center line, meaning the left foot is landing on the right side and vice-versa. Do you ever bang your ankles together while running? Or your knock your knees?



On the uphill video I was jumping a lot left and right to avoid roots, therefore the crosses of the center line happen more than they usually are. I nerver knock my knees but it has happened that a foot hits an ankle. Indeed I do have a very narrow track, the feet are not far off the center. What gives you the impression that the core is weak ? How would that look different and what would I need to train in order to strengthen the core ?

BFwillie_g said:
Or, you might just be too relaxed. That's another bad habit a lot of us get from those horrible shoes. Too relaxed = too much bounce, not enough support for the joints, terrible energy-usage.

Regardless:

The simplest, most effective and safest 'corrections' you can make are still the classics: increased turnover rate + drastically shortened stride length. Try it. Shoot for 200 (doch, zweihundert) steps per minute, without increasing your forward speed/pace (meaning you'll have to take really short, choppy steps).

I can do that but in that case energy consumption gets horrible, way to much energy needed to reverse those heavy legs in direction in such short intervals. Feels very unnatural. I tend to do this when running downhill in order to avoid heel-striking too much, there is a built in hesistance to do that barefoot currently, so the downhill video will not show that.
BFwillie_g said:
Also, while doing this, you could add some arm work into the mix. Push your elbows up and back, very snappy, like there's someone behind you and you want to bang him in the chin. Use your arms to count the 200 steps per minute and just relax the legs ... There are a lot of variations on these things (und, wenn du mal Zeit hast, fahr nach Kulmbach und wir können doch ein wenig zusammen trainieren ;)

Where would the arms help in that case, usually it is told that arms should be relaxed hanging - not doing that as I find that uncomfortable. When taking very short steps in high cadence the problem with the arms as well rises that I can not move the mass fast enough those long distances so that they get that far up and back down on that frequency.
BFwillie_g said:
Another really good exercise for you, specifically, would be good old 'Anfersen' - butt kicks. Lay your hands on your butt cheeks, palms outward, to the rear. And kick your feet up behind you, smacking your hands as hard as you can. Do this at fast as possible - bapbapbapbapbapbap! - and force your upper legs to remain as vertical as possible. Your forward speed will be very slow but this is a tough exercise (anstrengend).

I can bring my feet higher up and used to do that when running in old puffy shoes on shorter distances, doing it with my current movement pattern would throw me into much larger steps bringing the feet much more in front, because how I currently move the higher the foot gets at the back the more in front it will swing for the step. Usually I do this to run faster.
BFwillie_g said:
Grüße aus Oberfranken und einen Guten Rutsch!!!

Danke und Ein frohes neues Dir

Grüße

Jörn
 
Jlub,Your comments in

Jlub,

Your comments in response to Willie indicate that you are scissoring your thighs back and forth rather than lifting your feet and letting the thigh swing freely around the hip joint as you run. What you need to do is first learn how to lift your lower leg in an isolated exercise and the carry that movement into the run. If I get time I will post a video explaining and showing this concept.
 
I think if you propelled

I think if you propelled yourself forward by leaning forward and added a little more knee lift, you'd end up on the balls of your feet to mid foot landing, recover some of your expended energy, be easier on your knees in the long run and you'll develop a bit of a downward "bob" or cushion. Lifting before you land, as some put it. I think you'll find more controll and less energy output this way, at least that's been my experience.

I like how relaxed you are, but MAN you run slow! How do you float down like that? LOL! I kid, I kid!

Thanks for sharing and putting yourself out there! I gotta post some of me one day and get some opinions.

-Jonny
 
I am trying to adopt a little

I am trying to adopt a little more bend knees and higher foot lift together with not so much striding in front of me. However the current problem there is once I do the high lift short steps i am ending with not putting down the heel at all, which is also nothing that works. The answer will be somewhere in between I guess.

The good thing in all the trying so far is that the high foot lift version also works when my calfs are mad at me, shows me that this is a very different motion!

Journey onward...

Jörn
 
Jlub.Try standing in place

Jlub.

Try standing in place on two feet and light hop up and down. You should notice high cadence, pressure on balls of feet , and heels lightly touching the ground. This is how the landing should feel as you run also.

Here is a video demonstration of hopping on two feet with an added foot lifting under the body as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApMZs6VjtOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
jlubkoll wrote:I am trying to

jlubkoll said:
I am trying to adopt a little more bend knees and higher foot lift together with not so much striding in front of me. ... etc ...

I honestly think you're inviting trouble by trying to integrate these kinds of changes like this. You may 'solve' one weak aspect of your form, optically, but you're only going to develop more, and probably worse problems along the way. This is why I always default to the very simple formula of (greatly) increased turnover rate combined with (drastically) reduced stride length in discussion forums - it's safe and really can't do anything bad to you at all. At worst, you just won't like it. But no harm done. And usually, it solves about 80% of the problems all on its own.

Then you can begin to fine-tune and tweak more specific areas.

My 2c, but I've got nothing to sell.

Oh, you asked about the arm exercise (sorry, I lost track of the thread there). It's another one that really causes no harm, you can't do anything wrong. The positive effect (Wirkung) would be to get the upper body posture more erect and the arms into a more beneficial position. They play a HUGE role in the overall picure, as important as the legs. In some cases, for some of us, even more important. And again, doing the exercise/drill as I described it can't hurt you at all.

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