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I wasn't aware that there was

I wasn't aware that there was any literature about barefoot running that "can lead one to extrapolate that barefoot runners should have fewer injuries, better performance, or both".
 
Haven't read the article, but

Haven't read the article, but that abstract very much reflects my reading of the literature. See the first page of the Library, Abide, for why the current evidence doesn't show, but could lead one to reasonably conjecture, that barefoot running should lead to fewer injuries.
 
ps -- none of those findings

ps -- none of those findings are big news to us here on this forum. But considering that podiatrists (with a few notable exceptions, Dr. N) have repeatedly demonstrated their ignorance of the REALITY of barefoot running, more so than other medical practictioners, this is a big step.
 
I guess my point was being an

I guess my point was being an academic college, why are they not doing a study? We already know the evidence doesn't exist. But yes you are right a big step and who knows maybe they needed this to pave the way for future studies.
 
I read the full text, and

I read the full text, and there are no surprises. Still, it sums up the current research. More importantly, the authors outline the research that is needed to more or less lend support to that which we know is true. I'm pretty sure a few of the studies are under way right now. The research that comes out over the next 12-18 months will give us a whole lotta street 'cred.
 
I am excited for the new

I am excited for the new studies underway, and those, I'm sure, still in the planning phase, to be released. Our Library rocks right now, but just wait!
 
Hi All,First off, I'm a

Hi All,

First off, I'm a podiatrist and a member of the APMA. I also enjoy running BF/Minimalist.

To clear things up (hopefully), the APMA is not an academic college but rather a professional society. The way the Journal works is that authors may submit a study to the JAPMA to be considered for publication. In other words, in order for the JAPMA to publish an article someone has to take the time to do the study then write it up. One reason we don't see more studies on BFR is because in the world of podiatry (and medicine in general), BF running barely makes a blip on the radar of importance. As avid runners we all think about running a lot and enjoy it a lot, but in medicine, running-related topics are very small potatos. Diabetes and surgical topics take the research spotlight (and by extension receive the funding to run the studies).



I keep getting asked why more podiatrists don't recommend BFR to their patients. At least three reasons come to mind (I am not speaking for the profession here, but from my own vantage):

1. As professionals, we are supposed to give recommendations based on evidence rather than anecdote. Any doctor knows that it doesn't always happen that way, but it's what we're supposed to do as responsible professionals. Without plentiful and reproducible scientific evidence then giving advice based on internet reading, forum discussions, and hearsay is not professional quality work. Until there is more evidence that is reproducible then I wouldn't expect any profession to widely adopt a pro-BFR stance. Really we shouldn't adopt an anti-BFR stance either. So far the party line seems to be, "there is not enough data yet." A few docs are very openly pro-BFR and a few are openly anti-BFR. They are the outliers.

Whether or not I know BFR works for me (it does) is not important. It needs to be proven. With any published study there will be more questions and dispute. Even surgical topics that have been studied for decades still come under scrutiny, with contradictory results from different studies -- that's kind of how science goes. Not much gets proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. One research team concludes something with their research, which brings about more questions and critique. Then another team designs a new study and comes to perhaps a different conclusion. BFR is in its infancy so don't expect a wealth of absolute, conclusive data to appear any time soon. FWIW many of my colleagues on a personal level think BFR/MR is smart and good, and many of us even do it, but on a professional level we can't yet make a blanket recommendation responsibly. Did you see that one of the authors of the above JAPMA article (DWJ) runs 40 mi./wk., 50% of which is barefoot? He obviously believes in it yet his article doesn't conclude that "BFR is good" or some similar judgement based on personal opinion.



2. Most patients aren't runners and don't have the desire or dedication to put in the work needed to BFR safely or intelligently. They don't want to take up running; they just want to be more comfortable while at work or at home. I think avid runners make up less than 1% of my patient load, and I even live in an athletic area. I think about running all day long, and when I'm faced with an obese, sedentary patient who works double shifts at a convenience store and is a single parent on food stamps, the thought of recommending to her a year-long transition to BFR to treat plantar fasciitis makes me giggle inside because I know my treatment would be ineffective. I may think to myself "BFR would be good for you" but I know it would be extremely unlikely to work given the situation.



3. A lay person, especially an anonymous one on the internet, can make any recommendation he wants and if someone gets injured, then he can simply shrug his shoulders and say, "Whoops, that sucks. I bet you did TMTS." As a doctor one is held liable for his advice. If I were to tell someone to start BFR and he were to get a stress fracture (and we all know those happen, whether from training errors or not) then one can try to point at my advice as being the proximate cause of the injury. "That doctor told me to run barefoot and now I have a fracture -- all his fault!" I'm not supposed to give people advice that causes injury. We're held resonsible for what we tell people to do.



I'm really hoping more data emerges regarding BFR/MR because I enjoy it so much.
 
Hi Natch, welcome to the

Hi Natch, welcome to the forum!

I am so glad more medical professionals, including podiatrists, are venturing on to this site. Thanks for laying your perspective out for us. I've trained and worked as a scientist and I too am looking forward to a wider body of evidence about BFR and MR (I suspect, actually, that research will find a difference between those two activities). I edit the "Library" section of the site including its summary of the current state of scientific evidence and popular press coverage.

For better or worse, in the past podiatrists (with notable exceptions) have been the butt of a lot of jokes and dismissals here on this site. That's because many of the podiatrists quoted in the popular press and in online sources in 2009-2010 were (to make an unfortunate generalization) rather ignorant about the actual practice of barefoot running or the ability of bodies and minds to adjust to that practice. The party line you speak of-- i.e. "there's not enough data yet" -- was not really evident in the popular press until 2011. Before that the podiatrists in the press and in online sources mostly made objections to BFR based on hypothetical scenarios--lacerations, infection by viruses, repetitive forces, etc.

Like so much of medical advice (for better or worse), these objections were not made on the basis of evidence in journals. There simply was not that much published evidence out there about barefoot running. So instead the advice came out of some other font of "knowledge" -- tradition, perhaps, or "first principles" that sound reasonable but actual practice shows may not make sense.

One example is the whole fear about lacerations and puncture wounds. In reality, it's so overblown. Anyone who had actually met five real barefoot runners would know that. Another is the whole concept of BFR only being suited to "non-overweight people with perfect biomechanics." This was the most common critique by podiatrists and running coaches in the popular press toward the end of 2010 and the beginning of 2011. Yet there's no evidence I know of showing that the effect of BFR differs between weight classes, and "perfect biomechanics" is what my professor in the philosophy of science would have dismissed as a piece of pseudo-scientific jargon instead of an actual working scientific classification. "Perfect biomechanics" has no objective, widely agreed upon definition and matching basis of measurement and therefore works better to cow plebes than to actually play part in any research study.

Of course I follow this kind of stuff with a skeptical eye. But even people who don't share this hobby of mine know when a medical practictioner is making a broad generalization that doesn't match their experience. Sometimes I think medical practictioners make such generalizations because they feel they're supposed to be "authorities" on everything. But when the receiver of the advice has good reason to doubt that generalization, the medical practictioner loses a lot of credibility.

Unfortunately this has happened between barefoot runners and podiatrists. I hope it's all because of a few loudmouths who got quoted in the press a lot, and aren't really representative of the profession. If that's true some of us owe podiatrists an apology.

This is a tempest in a teacup for sure; very few people in the West actually run barefoot; many won't ever see a podiatrist. But the BFR movement does reflect on bigger cultural trends -- the increasing (and, to me, distressing) isolation of the human body from the range of natural conditions, for example. So understanding what feet can really do isn't just about feet; it's not trivial.

Anyway, I never even considered that podiatrists might get to the point where they would recommend barefoot running to their patients. I'm pleased any medical practictioner is even thinking about it.

I agree, there's not much evidence for it now, at least if the goal is preventing injuries. But by the same token there's not much evidence for recommending running shoes. Mostly there is the weight of tradition. And given the pretty shocking rate of injuries to recreational runners in shoes, I'd say it's not a great tradition we must strive to keep, like, say, mistletoe at the holiday party. Where someday diehard BFR's and podiatrists will hopefully make up. :)

Again, welcome. !
 
"The medieval people fought

"The medieval people fought with the sci fi people...it's been like that for thousands of years."

-Coach McGuirk, Home Movies



the whole BFR vs. Podiatry thing just makes me think of that quote. ;)

seriously though, good points all around. Hopefully there are some studies underway as we speak (I know i am participating in one) that should shed more light on the subjbect and maybe we'll start seeing some results before too long. I always get nervous mentioning that I am a BFR when I go to the doc (have been to my family doc, a foot specialist and a couple physical therapists), expecting to have to fight with them, but so far everyone has been reasonably cool with it. In fact, I even got some kudos from a couple of them for being able to correct some problems myself through BFR (was the reason I saw the foot specialist back in december).

I agree there are a ton of stories from people who have been helped by BFR, but I understand the medical community needing some scientific proofs before suggesting it to patients.
 
What I would like to know is,

What I would like to know is, where did the medical field get its proof that running or walking in overly bearing, overly controlling, overly padded, heavy weighted, boat anchors was an okay thing to do?

What happened to the recommendation of just living barefoot as much as is possible in all situations?

Where did we go wrong? At what point was it okay to start looking at the human foot as though it were some defective appendage that needed to be sheletered and protected (therefore weakend, abused, disregarded, and banished)?

I think we have it backwards here people. It's not a matter of the lack of "proof" we have supporting barefoot running, walking, or living; it's more a matter of where's the proof that shoes are any better?

Until recently, rarely anyone in the medical community ever posed this question. Thank God some of them are just starting to.



Stomper, you rock!



Dr. Natch
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Can I add you to our map of Barefoot-Friendly Doctors & Specialists? If so, please email your info to me at [email protected].

Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective and welcome!
 
About being quoted in the

About being quoted in the press...



Often when a reporter calls a doctor for an article he already has his report in mind and wants to quote a doc for a few "sound bites." Up until 2011 BFR/MR wasn't a topic that reporters wanted to write about. "The dangers of flip-flops" was the usual topic. Within podiatry circles we joke amongst ourselves about there being "another flip-flop article." No one in the profession really gets too worked up about flip flops dangers, but it's what the press wants to write about, because "Does a Single Application of PRP Alter the Expression of IGF-I in the early Phase of Tendon Healing" apparently isn't interesting enough for the general public to want to read in the paper (who knew!?).



So imagine a doctor in his office, whose main area of interest is reconstructive surgery and limb salvage, is in between patients and a reporter from the local paper calls and says, "I'm writing an article on BFR. Can I ask you a few questions?" You can imagine the response goes something like, "Yeah...sure...I guess. I have a couple of minutes. What kind of running? You mean without shoes???" It's not exactly something most of us think about or read about in our journals, so the response unfortunately can be something knee-jerk and uninformed. The response should be, "I don't have any expertise in that area." but quotes like that don't make it into the newspaper.
 
Natch, Thank you for

Natch,



Thank you for joining us here and not speaking down to us. You come across as level headed person and a critical thinker, exactly how i want my Dr to be. Join our community as a BF friendly Dr to visit and recommend. I have and am dealing still with plantar fasciitis, PF. After a visit to a podiatrist he told me there was no hope for a cure, i could only relieve the pain, and i could never go BF, not at home or at the beach. Pretty disheartening for a guy who grew up on the beach. I have relieved a lot of pain by running BF and wearing huaraches everyday. My setback is i still have yet to buy some good work shoes. Terra Plana are a bit pricy for me but those new Merrel Tough Gloves may work.

I took part in a recent newspaper article. The journalist had first contacted a famous local podiatrist who was pro minimalist so he scrapped that interview and called someone else. From how you stated it he appeared to be caught off guard. Great response for a story.

Thank you again,



Mike
 

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