Weight lifting...?

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  1. Chaserwilliams

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    Ok, starting next week I will be lifting weights again. I've gone through periods in my life where I've been really big into weight lifting / body building before, but this is not one of those times....

    I'm still going to be a runner at heart, and will still persue longer races and faster speeds, but I do miss lifting weights and the feeling of upper body strength...

    What brought this sudden urge to going a gym again on you ask? Well, a few of the guys up here at work all joined a gym together, and one of them is a good bit stronger than the rest of them and he asked me to join and help him out. So I went last week when he said he was planning on maxing out to see where we were in relation to each other...

    Last time I maxed out I was working out by myself in my garage with no spotter in the mornings and managed to get to where I could do 280 4 times. I never did a 1 rep max due to being afraid of getting stuck under 300+ pounds with no one else to pick it up off of me.

    My highest ever was 350 back when I was a younger man and was spending a lot more time on the gym.

    I struggled with 230 last week, which sort of surprised me since I haven't lifted a weight on almost 2 years. Zack, my coworker, got 230 pretty easily. So I'm thinking his max is close to 240. I'm pretty sure I could catch up with him pretty soon.

    My goal is to get back to 350 without gaining too much weight. I'm back up to 190 after putting 10 pounds after going to Disney, so I think an end weight of 175-180 would be good.

    So does any one have any weight lifting advice? Or thoughts? Do I need mental help? Is running a 100 mile ultra while benching 350 possible? What if I get hemorrhoids? Wheres the bathroom around here?
     
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    Get on the Roids! They are

    Get on the Roids! They are proven to work but I have heard that they may be illegal.
     
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    I'm not sure how lifting and

    I'm not sure how lifting and running go together. I used to lift a lot as well, my max on bench was while I was in Afghanistan was 280 and I was doing shoulder shrugs of 550 (more just to show people I could do it). For a 5'7" dude that's not bad. I have thought about getting back into lifting again myself and am curious to hear what you find out Chaser. Now a days, I don't really care about lifting heavy weights though, that may have contributed to me having to have two back surgeries once out of the Army. I think I really just want to get toned again while still improving my running.
     
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    Chaserwilliams wrote: So does

    Yeah go to the gym, pick up a heavy weight and put it down.

    Seriously though I would only follow a program that has a logical progression with gradual gains. With running there is a balance between weight and strength you have to respect. I'm still learning so other than that basic quote I know nothing.

    Yes don't all Texans?

    I'll let you know in a couple of years, I expect it to take a long time.
     
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      I have a cousin who was

    I have a cousin who was very "buff" he started running longer distances and started having back problems. Last year he did an Ironman, but he lost 30+ lbs. in bulk because his training changed so much, less weights and more "runny, bikey, swimmy" kinda stuff. He said he feels healthier now without the bulk.



    I don't know if that can help you, I eally didn't read your post, I just saw weight training and running and figured my story would fit into this thread. I do that a lot.
     
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    NickW wrote:  Now a days, I



    Look at the heavy lifters at the gym, most are under forty.

    The older ones that still do it in general do nothing else exercise-wise.

    Then look at the all around fit people especially in middle age at the same gym. Twenty reps per set.

    Life's filled with choices, bulk vs general athletic ability and fitness is but just one of them.
     

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    I know I'm a chick but I just

    I know I'm a chick but I just thought I'd chime in. I don't know much about lifting super duper heavy (although a lot of my training is lifting for strength in lieu of long slow distance running) but why wouldn't lifting and running be compatible? Can't you be competitive in both? Or at the very least make sure you don't create unnecessary strength and muscle balances? Is being strong a detriment for running? I could see how carrying extra bulk would be a problem but if that extra bulk is muscle that can help move the body efficiently why would that be a problem?
     

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    I meant muscle "imbalances"

    I meant muscle "imbalances"
     

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    Triathletes deal with this

    Triathletes deal with this all the time. When they increase the swim, they build upper body mass slowing down their run. Upper body muscle is only of use for sprinters, and really increases the work load for distance runners.
     

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    Longboard wrote:Triathletes

    Interesting. I had no idea.
     

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    World's Strongest Man champ

    World's Strongest Man champ Marius Puganowski was actually a pretty big endurance sports guy as well as a strongman/powerlifter. He had a rule called the "7/7" rule. It was that once you got up to a 700lb squat, it was difficult to also run a 7:00 min/mile. You could reduce your squat to get a faster mile time, and vice versa, but at some point you're just too big to have good running economy, and at some point you run too far to have consistent strength gains.

    They both run interference on one another as you develop both (i.e. working both will hinder your progress in both), but in my opinion you can develop both until 7/7 point. And let's face it, that isn't genetically possible for most people.

    Your goal of benching in the 300s is totally doable.

    Also, look up "world's fittest man" Joe Decker. Dude runs ultras and has very impressive powerlifts.
     
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    Another vote for roids.Or,

    Another vote for roids.

    Or, you could start Crossfit....or combine roids with Crossfit and the world is a better place.
     

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    Chaser,Roids and

    Chaser,

    Roids and Cross-dressing is my recommendation :) Seriously I think you should be fine to lift and still run endurance but definetly don't force either and give each there necessary amounts. Good luck


    BTW, I lifted yesterday and my hips, glutes, quads are talking to me :)
     
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    I think I'll be ok. Back when

    I think I'll be ok. Back when I was benching 350 I was able to run right at a 5:00 mile. And a 5k under 20:00. Of course I'm aiming more towards a sub 24 hour 100 nowadays...

    I plan on doing alot of crossfit style workouts, mainly body weight / prison b!tch style workouts. Pull ups, power ups, burpees, pushups, ect ect...

    On top of this, I'm going to dedicate myself to eating healthy.
     
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    Chaser,How tall are you ?

    Chaser,

    How tall are you ?
     
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    An average 5' 10.56872213"

    An average 5' 10.56872213"
     
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    I'm not sure you going to be

    I'm not sure you going to be very successful getting a 350 bench doing pushups. Maybe if you weigh 400lbs. it would work. But hey I've been wrong before...
     
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    Chaserwilliams wrote:Do I



    Do we really have to answer that question?





    Why would anyone want to bench 350 pounds while running a 100-miler?





    Isn't that what the Anal Ease was for?





    I never understood the fascination with benching anything greater than one's weight. But, what do I know? I'm just a 40-something old guy who weighs 123 lbs and probably can't bench my weight. I would much rather weight lift (lower weight:higher reps) to keep a balanced muscular system and a higher power output to weight ratio than men of my age who have big muscles.

    Weight liftng and tatoos have a lot of similarities - if you don't keep up your body, it all goes to waste.
     
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    I can relate to this subject.

    I can relate to this subject. Brief history, got fat by 35-235 pounds. Got thin at 35-36 down to 158-63. Ran first ultra, loved it. Did this all on plant based diet. Lost most of any muscle along with the fat. Got hurt, bum hip. Started lifting last January, could only bench 145 max. Now 1 year later my 1rm is 280, 240x4. I weigh about 185 now, still 6 foot,lol. I am slower no doubt, but feel stronger. Don't really care about being fast, just more about having fun. The endurance is still there. Done a few 10 milers, can feel the extra weight. BUT, the wife loves the fact I don't look "sick" anymore! I stayed lean, and would like to be even a little bigger, but still want to run some. So I guess I want my cake and to eat it too. And I will bench 300 someday soon. So I say go for it, if you don't care for the extra size, a few months of serious running will knock it right off. Oh and by the way, I'm 38 now, right behind the 40-somethings, and feel and look better than I did at 18. And I LOVE being able to say I can bench my bodyweight plus 100 pounds and still run at a respectable pace.

    Aubrey
     
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    I'm with the SWG, failing to

    I'm with the SWG, failing to find fascination with either the effort of moving large massy object through space or with the somatic repercussions.

    I just likes to run.
     
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