uhg! I went and did it....

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  1. richards

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    Today I figured I would go out for a long run. If I run around my lake, its 7.4 miles PERFECT!

    So not knowing what the conditions of the road on the other side of the lake was I threw on my VFF. Then at mile 4 I started to feel sharp pain in my left foot, I remembered this pain from Basic Training....and at this point I only had 1 choice...and that was to drive on. Well I made it back to the house, but OMG! just walking on that foot kills. Yup I believe I have a stress fracture it feels like its between the 4-5 Metatersal possibly Cuboid,...but not sure I'm just going by where the most pain is. Lucky me! I guess I over did it!

    But I still finished in 1 hour 16 minutes...
     
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    Let's hope it's just TOTFP

    Let's hope it's just TOTFP from TMTS.
     

  3. JosephTree

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    Yes, I know - hurting hurts. 

    Yes, I know - hurting hurts. Sorry! ...but I wonder, in the way of diagnosing the injury, how long was your long run lately and do you usually run in the VFF's or BF?
     
  4. Smelph

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    Doh! Sorry to hear that!

    Doh! Sorry to hear that!
     
  5. richards

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    until recently I was always

    until recently I was always running in VFF, I did the 8K barefoot and that was the longest run Ive done in quiet awhile. Then yesterday I ran the 7.4 miles (VFF) a day after running a 5K BF at a much faster pace then normal, the course had some big hills. Also the day before the 5K I ran 2.7 miles BF with my daughter and at the end we raced an it was a sprint. This morning when I woke the pain is much worse then it was yesterday it kills even when not walking on it. Uhg I know I over did it..... but not sure if it was TMTS or if it is a stress fracture. hmmm when to go to the DR? or even if I should?

    ~ Shannon
     
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    VFF should be banned, or at

    VFF should be banned, or at least not allowed to be worn before someone has at least 3 solid months of barefoot running experience.



    I hope it's not a stress fracture!
     
  7. Smelph

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    my gut instinct says possible

    my gut instinct says possible stress fracture from TMTS, but that seems odd since you've been minimalist for 6 years. Seems like there should be plenty of strength in the feet by now, but then I haven't heard anyone talk about the difference in foot strength between a minimalist vs. a BFR so perhhaps minshoes don't strengthen the feet as well as we would think?

    over 13 miles over a 3 day period with no time for your feet to rest and recover sounds like the culprit to me. it sounds serious enough to where I would get in to the doc and get it checked out, especially if it hurts just sitting around.
     
  8. richards

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    Yes I would think that my

    Yes I would think that my feet would be strong enough, but who knows? I know for a fact that I'm not getting enough calcium and Vit. D...that could be part of the problem as well....
     
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    That sounds like descriptions

    That sounds like descriptions of stress fractures I've heard. I think you need to go get it checked out. I'm sorry. :(

    If it is a stress fracture, it's not the end of the world. You'll probably be in a boot for 6 weeks or so and then you can gradually start running again. I've been walking instead of running for almost 3 months letting some persistent ITBS have the time it needs to totally heal...so right now 6 weeks of recovery actually sounds pretty good to me. :)
     

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    You sure did: TMTS: stress

    You sure did: TMTS: stress fracture.

    Cause: VFFs: overconfidence.

    Remedy: follow doctor's orders for recovery.

    Safeguard against: default to 100-percent-BF.
     
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    You have fairer skin. Fifteen

    You have fairer skin. Fifteen to twenty minutes in the sun will give you all the Vit. D you need, even with just arms and face exposed. Enough to last more than a day in fact. No need for supplements. Calcium is up to diet unfortunately.

    John T.
     

  12. Barefoot TJ

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    I had a vitamin D deficiency,

    I had a vitamin D deficiency, and blood tests showed this. I also ran nearly every day wearing sleeveless shirts and no hat. I still was deficient. The article linked to below states that 93% of people who go to the emergency room (for whatever reason) are Vit D deficient. Also, due to having a tumor on my parathyroid, I was deficient in calcium and developed osteoporosis. After having a parathyroidectomy, within two to four years, I had moved into the osteopenia range; so even if we have exposure through sun light and proper diet, we can still be deficient.



    If you are concerned about Vitamin D deficiency, check this out:

    A lack of Vit D can cause extreme muscle fatigue as well. 200 IU per day as recommended is NOT enough, so they are now reporting. We need 2,000 - 6,000 per day. I had extreme muscle fatigue in my calves. I went to a neurologist for Morton's Neuroma--no help for MN, but she ran a bunch of tests and found I was deficient in Vit D at the same time I was having problems with my calves. I began taking 6,000 IU per day (per some research I did), and within two weeks my problems with calf tightness completely disappeared. You can take liquid Vit D, and it will work in your system much quicker.

    I've referenced it here before, but here it is again. Well worth the read, especially the links I've provided below:

    I too drink a ton of milk and spend countless hours outside. Even in winter, I wear short sleeves, since I get hot easy when I run. Just something to think about. Next time you're at the docs, ask for this specific test.

    A low level/Vitamin D deficiency can cause extreme muscle weakness that will not resolve on its own. Be sure they ask for a blood test to check your Vit D level, specifically 25(OH)D.

    For everyone to consider when dealing with issues of tight calf muscles: This advice is not such a long-shot...read on...

    I had also experienced extreme muscle fatigue and tightening in my calves while running. My neurologist (treating for Morton's Neuroma) ran some blood work and found that I also had a Vitamin D deficiency. It was strange since I had been taking 1,000 IU of Vit D per night for the past half year. I did a lot of research to find out what to do about my problem. Apparently, they're finding out that the 400 IU per day the government feels is adequate isn't so, according to one article I read. The article stated that 93% of people who go to the emergency room (for whatever reason) are Vit D deficient. There may just be a hidden epidemic here. I found that doctors prescribe 50,000 IU once per week for those with Vit D deficiency. (I read on some of the Vit D discussion forums that some people experienced head aches, tremors, etc., when taking high doses of Vit D all at once.) So I decided to take 4,000, then 5,000, now 6,000 IU each night. Within 2 -3 weeks I began noticing that the weakness in my calf muscles went completely away. I don’t have that problem anymore. There's a very informative .PDF on Vit D deficiency at: http://www.savvypatients.com/NEJM%20Vitamin%20D%20Review.pdf. Also, check out the many resources at: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/. You can also get the liquid form of Vitamin D that works a lot quicker.
     
  13. Longboard

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    Vitamin D deficiency has been

    Vitamin D deficiency has been grossly over-diagnosed in recent times.

    I have no links handy right now, but I've heard just this year that probably up to 90% of D deficiencies were due to incorect data interpretation. Evidence now points to future thinking that will be vitamin D deficiency over-diagnosis was a quirk of the first century of the new millenium and will return to "never mind" status.

    Anyone here know even one person that was evaluated for sleep apnia and told they needed no treatment?

    Think orthotics.

    Calcium yes.

    Vitamin D? Prob. not, even in Michigan UNLESS you really never get any exposure or have a specific problem like TJ did.

    The testing is just not accurate or clearly understood.

    EDIT: here's a link just for starters:

    http://www.timesunion.com/living/article/Debunking-Vitamin-D-myths-1318957.php

    EDIT: Here's another, and here's a quote from it:
    "There is a noticeable, if anecdotal, increase in the number of physicians ordering serum vitamin D tests to screen for deficiency. The vitamin D assay has become one of the most-ordered lab tests in the U.S., despite the assay’s questionable reliability, its $40-200 cost, and considerable unresolved debate as to what constitutes an optimal blood level." http://www.medconnect.com.au/tabid/84/s2/Endocrinology/p6/Parathyroid/ct1/c335474/Skepticism-Grows-Regarding-Widespread-Vitamin-D-Supplementation/Default.aspx
     

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