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Discussion in 'Barefoot & Minimalist Running' started by paraganek, Nov 6, 2011.
Well written article
Agreed, focusing on the most
Agreed, focusing on the most important item of proper running, Form.
I liked it, too. I am
I liked it, too. I am already working on my 100-Ups.
I love the way Chris is
I love the way Chris is always finding some new way of keeping BFR a hot topic.
great article. anyone else
great article. anyone else find those 100-ups to be harder than they sound? I keep falling over!
100 ups seems like a rip off
100 ups seems like a rip off of high knees, or technically vice versa. Nothing really ground breaking...
The nike stuff is interesting.
That 100-ups is nonsense,
That 100-ups is nonsense, it's just leg raises. Mcdougall stole that from Richard Simmons.
Maybe the excercise itself
Maybe the excercise itself isn't the whole point. Perhaps the focus on the excercise, making it a central key and concentration to train the movement into the legs, core and back is what he's getting at. If I say "oh, it's just the old high step, that I've seen before..." and I don't invest a good deal of energy in it, I'm just not getting the benefit.
So, I'm going to learn to do it and then I'm going to do it every day. I hope it makes me a better, stronger, faster runner.
Not tonight though. I'd wake up the whole house, for sure.
I left a comment, #186 on the 8th page , I think, and recommended folks to the BRS.
I do believe it can work on
I do believe it can work on your core and stability muscles. To make someone faster, highly doubt it.
Aw, c'mon, humor me, BF Gent!
Aw, c'mon, humor me, BF Gent!
Okay.... Yes it will make
Okay.... Yes it will make run a 5 minute mile!! haha
No, no! That would be pushing
No, no! That would be pushing it too hard at this point. I'll be happy with a 5:45 or 6:00 M/M rate.
Wait a minute, let's be fair
Wait a minute, let's be fair folks.
The 100-Ups date from the 1870s, from a guy named W.S. George, as McDougall reports in the article. So, he didn't steal from anyone. Rather, he give a quite proper citation. The question is whether W.S. George really invented them, as he seems to claim. If he did not, then where did he get it?
What we have here is the history of running ideas. We now know that leg-raises date from at least this time. All the others are copying from George, not the other way around.
A lot of sports came into being in the second half of the 19th century, since (primarily) Europe and America started to have enough wealth to afford the leisure time to actually do sports. For example, Soccer/Football rules were first codified in 1848. The Olympics, which re-invented many track and field events, were of course first held in 1896. I am sure that people were running (in a sport/leisure sense) even much earlier--if not continually all the way back to the Greeks.
But, it fits the history of modern sports that people like George were starting to experiment with "training" ideas around this time. George himself is likely an aristocrat or a "gentleman", since the working classes spent 12-16 hours a day in the factory or the fields. Only this kind of person could afford to spend his hours thinking up ways to improve his running.
I have only done the 100-Ups a couple of times, so it is too soon to tell. But, tonight's run was fast and seemed quite effortless.
A Contest: I will give a BRS T-Shirt to anyone who comes up with documentary evidence (book or article) of Leg-Lifts being performed earlier than 1874 for the purpose of improving running form, technique or time. *
* Why do I make this challenge? Because I am myself an historian of ideas by training, but I don't have the time to research the question. I am nevertheless curious about the answer.
That's a great challenge,
That's a great challenge, Paleo.
I came across this new site focused on the hundred-up: http://hundredup.com/
Yeah, I saw that, too. I
Yeah, I saw that, too. I still gotta think of how I want to measure my progress.
Interesting in the orginal piece is that he doesn't really talk about running much.
Any historians out there? Let's see some research folks! I will further wager (which might be regarded as a hint), that the source will be from the U.K., which was at that time likely the most advanced in terms of running as a sport.
I always read the NYT
I always read the NYT Magazine but have been travelling the past few weeks, so it's actually here in my hotel room reading pile in San Antonio TX. The first reference I found to 100 up was in a post here that I now can't find.
I tried 100 up today in the hotel room and it is a little harder than it looks, but can see how the balance element would be very helpful. Chris does do a nice job of keeping BF running in the media.
Has anyone else tried the 100 up and if so, do you have thoughts?
I've did the 100 up thing a
I've did the 100 up thing a couple times now and will keep trying it...seems to be a fast moving balance exercise not a running form exercise...they play into each other but i wouldn't get caught up in the reasoning on this. It is a good balance exercise with the focus on running but its all knee lift which isn't how I run. I have yet to finish the 2nd part without losing my balance...when I can do the whole thing right I don't think I will be faster but I might be a smoother runner.
I've been wondering what Ken
I've been wondering what Ken Bob would think of this, since he recommends we lift our feet when running, not our knees. This exercise is trying to teach us to lift our knees. Oh well, different strokes.
Ive found them to help me
Ive found them to help me keep my feet under my CG