Starchy Foods

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  1. CharlieGreen

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    Starchy foods for running.
    Do you believe eating a lot of starchy foods like corn, potatoes and rice is good for your joints and running?
    The Tarahumara Indians who run long distance main food is corn and potatoes.
    This doctor swears by starch


    What foods do you think are best for running?
     
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    And MICE! :jaw drop::(:sour::vomit:
     
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    Anyone who tells you that they know the best diet for everyone is full of crap. A quick glance around the internet produces all sorts of reasonable looking "proof" that very different diets are best. We're talking the gamut from fruititarian(almost all sugary carbs), raw vegan, vegan, a half dozen different sorts of vegetarian, through the more balanced diets, and on to high-meat paleo, all-meat paleo, and keto(almost all fat). They can't all be best. Extreme diets are risky. The farther you get from eating a wide variety of unprocessed whole foods in moderation, the smaller the number of people who can thrive on that particular diet. Unless you have good evidence that you're a special snowflake, I'd be very wary.

    Edit to add: Read "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. It's worthwhile.
     
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    The mice doesn't have the growth hormones and antibiotics that the cows and chickens we eat have, so eating the mice is healthier. That is another reason I try to limit my meat intake because of the hormones and antibiotic, I can't afford to buy organic meat, organic food here in South Africa is extremely expensive.
     
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    Just please don't start eating mice.
     
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    Lol! No I won't. I want to start eating more rice, potatoes and fruit and veg in general and cut down on dairy and chicken.

    My cousin a stainless steel rep here in Cape Town, South Africa has been to the chicken farms(factory farms) here and he says they pump those chickens full of growth hormones.
     
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    Well, since eating rice, pasta or potatoes seem always cause some problems or are bit too much fuss to prepare, I have been looking for carbs that work better. Corn porridge seems to do just that. Corn flour + milk and microwave that, not too much fuss with cooking, works well with protein foods and plants and no stomach issues whatsoever. Taste is not great, but quite eatable anyways.:hungry:
     
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    Corn porridge here is called mielie meal, mielie is Afrikaans for maize. Maize is the stable in South Africa and Africa for the poor i.e the majority of the people.

    Mielie meal started becoming more popular with the middle class. Some of the middle class here eat mielie meal(corn porridge) made in the microwave like bread to have with their braai(barbeque) meat.

    I use to eat quiet a lot of mielie meal(corn porridge) but cut back now because I want to limit my dairy and mielie meal(corn porridge) doesn't taste the same with water.

    A lot of the poor people here look healthier than the middle class here because the poor here are eating mielie meal(corn porridge), rice with some fruit and veg, bread and only little chicken while the middle class here are eating too much junk food(Mc Donalds etc).
     
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    Dr Campbell and his team research with their Chinese counterparts showed that when the Chinese people salaries increased and they started eating more red meat their rate of cancer went up.
     
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    I'm fruit-powered, works great for me. Vegetables and wild herbs as well. I'm thinking that nutrition is individual to an extent, but the less processed the better is probably a good rule of thumb no matter your dietary philosophy.
     
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    It won't have anything to do with the wealth being used to buy processed foods that contain sugar and high fructose corn syrup.
     
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    Too much noise from nutrition experts to know what is good for the average person. I think the science is there but hard for not experts to get a balanced view of the scientific findings. The debate about nutrition is as infected, if not more, as shod vs barefoot.

    Not a big fan of rice, potato or similar. I have reduced them as much as I can. I have found that my limits are not energy or nutrients, it is more my technique or my training schedule.
     
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    agree, therefor I like what Dr. Michael Greger is doing with nutritionfacts.org He is researching all the medical papers and translate this is english non medical people can understand. He advice is based on pure science. By the way, he is not alone with his conclusions, more and more medial doctors have the same standpoint nowadays.
     
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    I find that even more than nutrition (provided an omission of processed foods), intermittent fasting is probably one of the most powerful ways to dramatically shorten recovery time. Not just for running and injuries, but also for example for illness. The daily 16:8 method is easy enough, I've consistently stuck to it for months now and for me the benefits to recovery, and also for general feelings of well-being and energy levels, have been phenomenal.

    Since two weeks now I've felt to shorten the eating window by one more hour, and now I think I've found the perfect times for myself. You just have to adjust it a little to whatever window and time sits best with your unique metabolism, since it is a bit different for everyone. I personally have breakfast at 12am, then nothing until dinner at 5pm, which I take my time for and finish eating at around 7pm.

    At the start it was difficult and took some discipline to ignore the cravings, but now it feels completely natural. I never feel even the slightest pangs of hunger or apetite anymore outside of the eating window. I usually get up at 6am, and the 6 hours until 12am are when my energy levels are the highest and it's when I go running and hiking.

    The science of why exactly it is so beneficial for recovery and many other aspects of health, are well-investigated and you can easily find a lot of good information on that online. I can recommend it full-heartedly!
     
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    It's more than noise. There is a data integrity problem. Unless the study confines the subjects to a metabolic ward, the data is garbage. Even dieticians routinely misreport their own food intake. Garbage in, garbage out. That's why you can find scientific evidence for any and every whack diet on the internet. You can't do science without good data.
     
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    Gotta admit, that corn porridge thing I mentioned in my last post, didn't last long. :meh:

    I have had some digestive system related problems and mostly for that motive I have dabbled with nutrition. But it seems that for me certain body posture issues are most of the time the real reason for such problems, not so much dietary stuff. Human body is adaptative system, so it shoud work with very wide set of foods, and there's epigenetic inheritance which throws out that nonsense that digestive system would be unchanged from paleo era.

    I had reflux disease for few years, used drugs to be able to swallow food, it just went away. I had horrible diarrhea for two months, swapped my chair and over emphasized better posture and it went away in fifteen minutes. Got diagnosed IBS (irregular bowel syndrome = "we have no idea what's wrong with you") before that. At one point I had wrong size bike and tried getting it to work by trying different stems. One configuration caused all day long lasting heartburn in just ten minutes of ride. When I have certain type of back pain I also get gas, gluten free diet helps, but when there's no back issues I can eat gluten without getting after effects.. For me it seems to be position of lower back that somehow causes these problems, but as a self diagnose it's not very trustworthy assessment.
     
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    That's interesting... my husband suffers as you do and finds that gluten-free seems to help. I'll have to mention that you've found that posture makes a difference too. He thought that it was the gas triggering the back pain, but it could be the other way round.
    Another potential piste that we found was the flour. In most bread nowadays, even from bakeries, they use rapid-rise additives. Apparently those can have a bad effect on some people too.
     
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