Sick of this Crap!

Discussion in 'Barefoot & Minimalist Running' started by Nyal, Mar 21, 2011.

  1. jschwab

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    Abide wrote:migangelo



    Interesting. I feel running is much easier than I ever thought it would be as a complete "never ran ten feet" beginning runner. The other day I ran to the doctor's in my work clothes (jeans and a blouse) because it felt easier than walking (my feet were sore from standing on a ladder). I am slow, and I take it easy, but I do find it easy to run. I definitely relate to Caballo's thoughts.
     

  2. ajb422

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    twinkletoes wrote: True story



    I don't know about this. I think my form got better after I started adding in the distance. I didn't really realize my form even needed work until one day during a longer run I suddenly felt it change for the better and now I do that in my shorter runs as well. I guess maybe my youngness allows me to be sloppy if I'm only going a few miles. Distance and/or speed forces my form to be better or else face blisters and aches.
     
  3. Abide

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    I wonder how much anatomy

    I wonder how much anatomy plays into it. I have the opposite of a runners body. My upper torso is long and my legs are short. Maybe I was born to swim.

    But yeah running 3 miles at a 10min/mile pace still feels like work to me.
     
  4. khyricat

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    As a medical professional I'm

    As a medical professional I'm just glad you're moving.. I wish I could convince more of my patients to even consider walking regularly, much less running enough to enter a 5k. So thank you from the dietitian who along with private practice works on the orthopedic/neurology floor of a small town hospital!
     
  5. JosephTree

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    Abide, it sounds more like

    Abide, it sounds more like you have a body built for bowling.
     
  6. smileyfootjamie

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    I don't really care about

    I don't really care about speed because I run for pure fun! The last 5k I did (first barefoot race) was a pathetic 33 minutes but I walked a bit on the uphills and stopped 3 times to take my socks on and off.

    Lately I've been running approx. 5 miles and it takes me exactly an hour... whoohoo 12 minute miles yay. Hopefully as I run more consistently I wont have to slow down and *walk* as much and then I'll be faster. My feet/legs start cramping up if I don't take it easy right now. But I do hope to get in better shape and get a bit faster. Ha 10 minutes miles are fine by me!
     
  7. treeves

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    Depending on how far I'm

    Depending on how far I'm going, I average between 10:30-12:00 minute miles. My last training run for my half (11 mies) averaged 11:15.
     
  8. Nyal

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    Sniff....I love you

    Sniff....I love you all....well most of you. [​IMG]
     
  9. jschwab

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    Abide wrote:I wonder how



    I have a similar body and I am an even worse swimmer than runner! I wonder if you are running too fast. Does it hurt or are you just sucking wind?
     

  10. DB

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    When I started running

    When I started running barefoot, I thought anything much slower than my normal shod pace (7-8 minutes/mile) was a big compromise. When I began, I ran barefoot mainly on tracks. Running fast and effortlessly on a track was the experience that clinched the deal for me on running barefoot. I've run since I was a kid, but to fly with such freedom was one of the best running experiences I've had -- it's magic. This past summer I ran a mile barefoot on a track in 6:04. I don't think I've run that fast in 15 years or more (I'm 44 now).

    I can run barefoot on relatively smooth pavement (as on a bike path or sidewalks < 30 years old) at 8 minutes per mile (or a little less). But I don't want to be limited by surfaces. So this spring I am beginning to tackle chip seal and highly eroded concrete sidewalks (~ 60-80 years old in my area, as rough or rougher than chip seal). I ran 2.4 miles today on these surfaces at 10:30/mile pace. Because my feet are still sensitive to these surfaces, from a cardiovascular perspective, it was like I was running 8:30/mile pace. I try to keep my cadence up and relax, but it still requires effort. If I don't get faster on rough surfaces, that's o.k. The increased freedom of being able to run barefoot anywhere or almost anywhere is worth any pace. As so many others have said, the most important thing is that it's fun.
     
  11. Abide

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    jschwab wrote:I have a

    That all depends on pace, it never really hurts but it is always work to keep going. It is hard to describe but it is kind of a battle for me to get going and keep going. I rarely have the feeling of runner's bliss, where you just hit the zone and run. I feel every mile.

    I don't think I am running too fast because I always vary my running pace. I definitely feel the difference between running 100m sprints and a LSD. It's funny because I read all these stories about everyone's great runs, but I honestly cannot remember the last time I have ever felt that way about a run?

    And about swimming, it's all technique. I read that somewhere and I definitely believe it. Long arms help too since swimming is primarily upper body. It's kind of like riding a bike, once you get your technique down you never forget it.

    Oh and why are you swimming Jschwab? You becoming a triathelete?
     
  12. Abide

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    Good point about surfaces DB.

    Good point about surfaces DB. Let us know how it goes? I want to believe surface doesn't matter, but it hasn't been my experience.
     
  13. jschwab

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    Abide wrote:jschwab wrote:I



    Interesting. I hope it really clicks for you someday. i feel like I am a very unlikely runner physique-wise, but from the beginning it felt very natural. I was never one to take walk breaks and I almost always finish out a run no matter what. I don't find it difficult to get my stuff ready and find "excuses" to go running. Did you use to feel different, or has it always been a slog?

    I'm not sure why I'm swimming - as a break from lifting weights, I guess. I injured myself pool running in '09 so I gave up the pool entirely for over a year while I rehabbed (it was a really serious injury). Then I was just pool-phobic but the trainer who's been helping me with the rehab kept saying to get in the pool for my upper body. I had worked up to swimming a mile 2 years ago training for a lake aquathlon (run, swim, run) and DNS'ed due to the injury, so I guess I'm working towards that again. Bikes scare the living cr*p out of m me, so I know I'll never do a tri. I am all about not relying on gear and moving under my own power and cycling really cuts into that ethos. I have done relay tris before as the running leg, though, and I'd like to be on a team again. I feel much better swimming this go around than last time - my body is much stronger and my technique, especially with freestyle, is much better but that is not saying much. I am still a lousy swimmer.
     

  14. Barefoot TJ

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    Abide, are you carbo loading

    Abide, are you carbo loading and hydrating well enough before each run? If you are not, you are gonna have some crappy runs. You should eat a baked potato for complex carbs the night before a morning's or afternoon's run. (Complex carbs sit in your body and are only used when you need them, like on a long run; simple sugary carbs are surface carbs and are burned up fast and burned up first, so if all you take is say simple carbs, you will deplete a good amount of your muscles' energy before your run is over.) It's all the carbs you will need to keep your muscles fueled to get you through a good 10-miler. And be sure to take in salt and water too. This stuff really helps me out tremendously. I know that when I don't follow a similar plan before a long run, my long run sucks, except for the fact that I'm doing it barefoot. ;-) Hee.
     
  15. migangelo

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    Abide, That sucks,

    Abide,



    That sucks, seriously. I've always hated running. Never did it for joy. I avoided it growing up and only did it in attempts to lose weight. That of course only worked for a little while as i never liked running. Then i found out about bf/minimalism. I bought some Vff and oh my god. I fell in love with running immediately even though i had bad, terrible form for the first two months. I suffered a lot but still enjoyed it. Now that i understand how to run i'm constantly watching my form and stop when i'm no longer having fun.



    I hope you figure out what's going on so you can have some fun. Are you running on a dreadmill by chance?



    Mike
     

  16. barefoottim

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    I can move quickly,but

    I can move quickly,but preferr to be safe rather then sorry. Listen,there is enough bad raps out there first of all because we are without shoes. Since when was running ever about what was on your feet? Yes its about satisfying some competitive urges,But moreover about getting out and moving. Getting connected to the outdoors and ourselves. Really if we dont care what is on our feet,or not on,then dont worry about it. What matters is that you are out doing your thing for you and no one else. Now everyone go enjoy yourself out there and just feel the earth under your feet.
     
  17. Smelph

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    did 16 miles at a 12:22 pace

    did 16 miles at a 12:22 pace yesterday counting aid stations. I seem to float between 11:00 and 12:00 per mile though if I'm not stopping to dig food or water out of my bag. maybe I need to get a better system so I can walk through the aid stations or not stop at them altogether. ;)
     
  18. palouserider

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    I run a 12-minute mile on my

    I run a 12-minute mile on my good days and if I only go 3 miles, yesterday I finally started trying some hills and now it's back to mixing walking with jogging for a little while. The only reason I'm trying to increase speed gradually is because I want to enter a 12 mile trail event in September where they take the finish line down at 3 hours. [​IMG]
     
  19. Abide

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    Jschwab, it has always been

    Jschwab, it has always been tough to get going. The good thing is I like to work hard so I rarely talk myself out of a run. Usually I end up doing more than I set out to, not always as fast though.

    TJ, yeah I think so I usually eat 6000 calories a day (at least 40-50% are carbs) and drink 1.5 gallons of water a day :) That better be enough and I'm never short of energy.

    Mike no I mostly run outside in a city. Like I said to Jschwab, it's not that I don't enjoy it because I love busting ass, I can just tell a lot of you really feel connected while running. I don't have that feeling about it. I would rather do a crossfit wod than a run any day. Although I do enjoy the wods that include running more than others so that's a plus.

    Different strokes eh?
     
  20. Barefoot Larry

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    I have ben a turtle for 2

    I have ben a turtle for 2 years. This is my third year of BFR and this year I will be working on increasing my speed, only because my body has got used to my average pace, and I now I need to shock it!

    I also save turtles that are crossing the road, you need to be fast to dodge cars haha
     

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