Lee, I don't get why some of us barefooters feel the need to try to push the limits in the cold. I pushed my limits last year, I see you just pushed your limits, Rick pushed his too far last year and got frost bite. I don't know why some of us can't seem to just play it safe so we can live to run another day. Must be some macho I'm a man thing I guess. I don't think I've ever read on here where a woman has pushed it too far. They tend to have more sense I guess.