How to Learn About Running Ultras

Andy asked this question in another thread, and could be useful for everyone.

First, the background. I've been preparing to run ultras for about eight years. During that time, I've read pretty much every ultra-specific resource out there, talked to a ton of ultrarunners from a wide range of abilities, and discussed many of these topics ad nauseum in forums. Based on that research and my own experiences, here's my best advice for those that are starting to run ultras aren't quite sure where to start or how to handle the often-contradictory advice given by those with more experience.

  • First- recognize ultras are an experiment of one. What works for some does not work for all. It's up to you to figure out what works and what does not work.
  • Second- understand the nature (i.e.- limitations) of research. Studies on ultrarunners is rare. The research that has been done isn't very good. Many people develop theories based on this data without discussing the gaps in knowledge. I've gotten into shouting matches with people because I do something successfully in ultras that is supposedly physiologically impossible. Understand we don't know everything there is to know about the human body, especially when running for 50 or 100 miles.
  • Third- don't assume what works for elites (or anyone else) works for all. It's common for people to copy what elite runners do and expect the same results. We fail to realize the elites probably have a) different physiology, and b) other elements of their training/lifestyle that may affect their performance. This also pertains to the Tarahumara. Just because they wear huaraches and eat chia and pinole doesn't mean that's going to be our royal road to good performance.

Keeping those three principles in mind, this is how I recommend you learn about ultras.

Step one- make a list of what you do now in training that seems to work well. This will give you cues to what may work in the longer distances.

Step two- seek out a wide range of ideas. My favorite source of information comes from race reports. Runners talk about what worked for them without getting to preachy. You'll also find a wide variety of contradictory advice... that's a good thing.You can also find ideas in books about ultras, websites dedicated to ultra training, or ultra forums.

Step three- test one idea at a time in training. This could include training runs, food, hydration, clothing, shoes, anti-chafing measures... whatever. If it seems to help performance, keep it. If it hurts performance, ditch it. If it doesn't seem to matter, always choose the simplest methods that require the least thought or logistics. You have a lot of things to keep track of during a race... the less you have to think about, the better. The idea is to develop your own personal set of best practices that work for you.

Step four- refine your ideas. Again, simplicity is important. Always work to distill what you learn into the simplest form possible. You'll appreciate this during your race.

Step five- reevaluate regularly. Some ideas may work well in the beginning, but others may work better once you get more experience or your body begins to adapt physiologically. Also look at new ideas you come across. Experiment to see how they may fit in with your current best practices.

Above all, remember this is a self-experimentation game. There are a lot of unknowns, and those unknowns increase with time and distance. Don't get too preachy about the methods that work for you as they probably won't work well for others.
 
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Regarding Step Two from above: these are some great sources of information to test new ideas:
  • Kevin Sayers' site- goldmine of information from the Ultra List... these dudes were running ultras before ultras were cool.
  • Stan Jensen's run100s site- another goldmine of 100 miler info, including A TON of race reports (link goes to race reports).
  • "A Step Beyond"- A collection of essays about ultras.
  • "Relentless Forward Progress" by Bryon Powell. Newest book of the bunch.
  • "Running Through the Wall"- Another classic
These five sources will give you years worth of variables for experimentation. ;)

If you hammer through these, check out the more general running books:
  • "Tread Lightly" by Pete Larson andBill Katovsky- though you should have already read this as a barefoot/minimalist runner...
  • "Lore of Running" by Tim Noaks
  • "Fixing Your Feet" by Jon Vonhof
 
Ill add that I think the vast majority of ultra running is mental / emotional. You have to learn to deal with and manage pain and fatigue.

Oh, and Jason Robillard is awesome!
 
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Ill add that I think the vast majority of ultra running is mental / emotional. You have to learn to deal with and manage pain and fatigue.

Oh, and Jason Robillard is awesome!

suckup!

He is though, isn't he?;)
 
Im not a suckup! I just spend every moment of my life trying to be more like Jason. Ive started growing a beard, though its not nearly as nice as his. I wear cool Merrell gear. Im in the process of selling my house and moving into a RV. In fact, Ive even gone through Jason's trash and am wearing some of his old underwear right now! Jason, try to start throwing them away before the holes develop from now on please sir.

Speaking of strange, Dave, you ever going to come on over to Texas again?
 
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Im not a suckup! I just spend every moment of my life trying to be more like Jason. Ive started growing a beard, though its not nearly as nice as his. I wear cool Merrell gear. Im in the process of selling my house and moving into a RV. In fact, Ive even gone through Jason's trash and am wearing some of his old underwear right now! Jason, try to start throwing them away before the holes develop from now on please sir.

Speaking of strange, Dave, you ever going to come on over to Texas again?

Yes you are, first PR and Talon, but now they've got the restraining orders you've found a new target for your uncontrolled adulation.

As for Texas? It just depends on how the jobs fall and whether I get put on the team. If we have enough people in the 'States available then us Brits don't get to join the party. I did have a run with PKKFW (Adam, near Sydney) last week though.
 
Hi Jason,
where can you find race reports?
when training for your first ultra/s did you start with a shorter one eg 50k's then go for a 70k's then 50 miles that sort of thing or did you just up your training and go for a big one?
cheers brendan
 
Hi Jason,
where can you find race reports?
when training for your first ultra/s did you start with a shorter one eg 50k's then go for a 70k's then 50 miles that sort of thing or did you just up your training and go for a big one?
cheers brendan

Google "[name of race] race report".

Most people use a progression from shorter to longer distances, but it's not necessary. The key is learning what works, and there's a steep learning curve if you start with a hundo.
 
If you choose a 70 miler on mixed terrain in the middle of the wettest summer in the UK for about 50 years, and it rains all day on the day of the race, you get plenty of learning in a very short time.

Believe me, I know.
 
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Jason,
I read your post on BRU, I think, about your more relaxed approach to training for an ultra, given that you went ok, do you think that would have worked for you earlier in your ultra career or is now that you have 'enough miles' under your belt that you can get away with the less is more method?
hope that makes sense.
cheers brendan
thanks for the report tip.
 
Elydave,
if you live in the uk you should be used to rain all year round:) how did you go in that race.
cheers brendan

Brendan,

DNFd at 40 miles out of the 70, on a ten mile loop course. The conditions were awful with the offroad sections 3-4" deep in mud/water adn your feet sinking in each step. In my case my hip flexors and ITB gave out on me with the extra workload. Having run the course in the dry last year for a HM i'd be confdent of finishing in the dry.

I'm now working on a fairly aggressive ITB strengthening and hamstring lengthening programme

Dave
 
Brendan,

I've been told by a sports injury specialist that I have short hams and my glutes are firing too early, so the thing to do is lengthen and strengthen the hams with eccentric exercises i.e. hamstring working under load while lengthening.

I've been doing
Lunges (weighted or unweighted)
Straight leg deadlifts
Good mornings (weighted or unweighted)
Single leg squats
Resistance band work
Hamstring eccentric curls - this one's a bit odd as you coem up on your knees and fix your ankles (I use a weights bar, or you can get soemopne to hold your ankles) and then you flex forward at the knees with straight body. It's hard and you feel like you're about to fall on your face
Also a lot of stretching
 
Jason,
I read your post on BRU, I think, about your more relaxed approach to training for an ultra, given that you went ok, do you think that would have worked for you earlier in your ultra career or is now that you have 'enough miles' under your belt that you can get away with the less is more method?
hope that makes sense.
cheers brendan
thanks for the report tip.

Experience has definitely allowed me to do less preparation, both training-wise and logistical. A good endurance base coupled with knowing how to run an ultra (pacing, mental aspect, etc.) allows me to do very little training. I may only hit 10-20 miles some weeks, and rarely top out above 50 unless I have a race.

For example, I'm running the Grand Mesa 100 miler this weekend. I haven't done any specific training, only vaguely know the course, and am currently haphazardly throwing gear together. The lackadaisical approach will suffice because I more or less know what problems may occur and have a pretty good handle on fixing them. There's always the unknowns, which is part of the fun.

In all likelihood, this approach would not have worked a few years ago. When the shit hit the fan, I had no idea what to do. More importantly, there were many situations that would cause me to throw in the towel and DNF. Now I'm much more likely to diagnose and fix the problems. It's really about knowing yourself, which is the benefit of self-experimentation in training.
 
Hi Dave,
how many times a week are you doing that hammy workout? Are you noticing any difference when you run? At the barefoot session I do each week with a coach he often has us use the big rubber bands to do jumping lunges, alternating legs, as we jump into the lunge the band keeps that bit of tension on your body, they're killers. I do lunge walks up and down my driveway also very effective, only early morning or at night so the neighbours don't talk ;). That might be something you could try to break things up a bit. Got any races on your radar?
cheers brendan
 
Brendan,
plan is to do it at least once a week, with one yoga session or at least twice a week if I don't go to yoga. I'm also trying to fit it in around the end of the cycling time trial season with at least one good showing.

It's early days as the ultra was only two weeks ago, but I'm thinking it's making a difference.

I don't race a lot as I travel quite a bit for work so have a lot of domestic stuff to fit into weekends, I try and get around half a dozen a year plus summer evening cycling club time trials. My next planned races are a 38 mile ultra on a long distance path that finishes about two miles from my home, plus there is a new year's eve 10km race that starts and finishes in my village. I've also got my eye on a 25mile time trial in Feb, I've not been at home at the right time over the last few years.

Whereabouts in Oz are you? I got down to Sydney for a few days in June and met up with a fellow forumite for a run.

Cheers,

Dave
 
Hi Dave,
I'm in Bendigo,central Victoria. Maybe let me know if you're ever heading to Melbourne. Sounds like you're a busy man, keep on stretching then.
cheers
 

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