Breathe Slower Yet Run Faster? really...

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    Hi folks!

    I want to give you access to a special video that can show you how you can easily change the way you breathe to literally transform your body and running. Sometimes to increase performance in running we have to do what is counter-intuitive and not so obvious.

    This is an intro video to Mindful Running Breathwork, one of the 100 plus videos that are included in the upcoming Mindful Running Program. It explains how you can improve your running by slowing down your breath (which simulates high-altitude training). Click the link here to watch the free video for a limited time:

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    You may have heard me mention that years ago, training at the Olympic training center, I was struggling badly with asthma, until I learned some powerful breathing techniques, focusing on the exhale to calm my lungs down.

    That gave me a clue that there was more to breathing than I ever thought.

    Years later, after struggling with bouts of bronchitis and pneumonia, my asthma returned, and I was told I had very small lung capacity and there was nothing I could do about it.

    That didn’t make any sense, so I began reading up on breathing, and became pro-active. I started doing breath work in bed, at my desk, and during training to flip things around.

    The changes were dramatic.

    Not only did my asthma go away, but my lung capacity went WAY up.

    We all think we know how to breathe. The truth is, ever since childhood, our breathing’s gone off-track.
    As baby’s we were “obligatory nose-breathers” we breathed only through our noses so we could drink our mother’s milk …but then we got sick, our noses clogged, and we panicked, cried, yelled out and gasped…which helped us force air through our mouths.

    CLICK HERE to Watch the Video...How to Slow Your Breath to Increase Capacity

    And so it began, we quickly learned to breathe through our mouths in times of anxiety, stress, or crisis.
    Mouth breathing’s not economical, in essence, we’re gulping air, without the heating, humidifying or filtering the air we get from the nose, before it enters the lungs.

    It’s a rushed motion which triggers a fight or flight response, leaving our bodies in a state of panic or fear with a raised heart-rate, and rapid shallow breathing, ineffective at best, to bring in air.

    So in running, we all tend to breathe in through our mouths, and high into our lungs.

    This leaves us winded…despite thinking we took a deep breath, raises our heart rate (requiring more oxygen), constricts our blood vessels—making it harder to get in enough air, and triggers the fight-or-flight mechanism of the body.

    That’s why when you a see a panic attack, someone’s given a paper bag to breathe into…not to gulp in more air, but help them slow their breathing down.

    For running, VO2 max is not the be-all, end-all, this is confirmed by the likes of Dr. Timothy Noakes, author of the Lore of Running. First off, the major limits are in the mind. But secondly, it’s not about how much O2 you can get into your lungs…but how much you can get into your muscles!

    When we’re constantly blowing it out through our mouths, we can’t absorb it into our bodies.

    The answer to this lies in slowing down the breath, and breathing deep into our belly.

    Like a pyramid, the lungs are their largest at the bottom, and that’s where the real gas exchange takes place---if we give it enough time.

    So we need to belly breath, to train our diaphragm to work as a bellows, and to learn to breath more through our nose, which spins air down to our belly. When we do this, we exchange more air, and we relax the body as well.

    Click here to watch the video: Slow the Breath to Run Faster

    Our Mindful Running program is a day by day, 6 week program, and nearly every day, you’ll be focusing on breathing exercises to transform your running, and your nervous system.

    Whether you join our upcoming program or not, I encourage you to start working today to breathe more through your nose, and to breathe deep into your belly.

    At first, it’ll be tough, you’ll think “I can’t get in enough air”.

    That’s actually not true, the body doesn’t use oxygen as a gauge for breathing, only for blacking out.
    Instead it uses carbon dioxide. Strange as it seems, when you think you’re gasping for air, you’re actually trying to blow off CO2, that’s what forces you to breath. Like I said at the start...it's counter-intuitive.

    This one breathing practice is very powerful and can make a huge difference in your running and your life.
    Be Mindful, Have Fun Out There, BREATHE DEEP, and Run Free!

    Michael Sandler

    p.s. Just in case you missed it last week, we announced a new bonus as part of the upcoming program...26 videos on how to prevent and heal from the 26 most common injuries.

    p.s. I wanted you to know that we'll be closing down the Mindful Running Program this week...join the dozens who are making this their Fall and Winter running upgrade. All the details of the online training and coaching program are here: Mindful Running Program: 100 videos, group webinar coaching plus bonuses
     
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  2. kozz

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    More nonsense for all you wing nuts out there, this time you get to pay 300 bucks though.

    You can't nose-breathe or belly-breathe your way to high oxygen consumption.
     
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    So kozz, what exactly do you think the nose is for if not breathing?
     

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    To support spectacles - d'accord? ;)
     
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    Cute, but you know full well what "nose breathing" means. Let's see you run 600 meters in, say, 1:45 or less breathing only through your nose. With video proof.

    Endless threads on fringe subjects only makes BFR look fringe too. I'm not gonna be nice about it.
     
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    my fastest half-marathon (1h26) my mouth was closed
     
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    I can only do 3:45/km in practice runs with breathing only through my nose. Once I get under 3:40/km, I feel I am concentrating more on my breathing than on my running. I use nose breathing at the start of races to make sure I don’t go out too fast. Otherwise, I see nose breathing like high altitude training.
     
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    Nothing wrong with 'fringe' Kozz, that's where the free thinkers and innovators live, it's the outer shell that encompasses everything,
    I can see where you are having issues with the idea of nose breathing though, i too was sceptical until i tested, and am still testing, the water myself.
    So far it seems to be paying off, for me at least, but it hasn't been an easy ride by any stretch. I think there are parallels with nose breathing and altitude training, which is why it seems so hard at first until your body adapts.
    I can hold an 8mm now in a much more controlled way that i ever could, way faster than i need to be, and for what i want to do, which is push the big miles. That's about as practical of an example i can give.
    So it's different strokes for different folks, the community would be a bland place if everyone held the same ideas and motivations, scepticism is good up to a point until you become blinkered by it. (even wing nuts have a useful purpose)
    Personally i'm not out to covert anyone, i don't want to be in a click, none of us know it all, science is often flawed and bias, the internet gurus will come and go, what is left over and remains constant is usually the good stuff. The fact that nose breathing and running has been around for thousands of years is probably a good indication that there's something in it, in fact the pursuit of fast times, hyperventilation, mouth breathing and looking like a blow up sex doll at the end of a run, is a very modern trend.;)
     
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    kozz,
    you still didn't answer the question. getting angry and threatening doesn't prove your position. it only shows that you don't have the answer and will argue until your opponent gives up. which in the mind of people who do that means they win.

    so, what do you think the nose is for if not breathing?
     

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    which requires breathing through it. :stop:
     

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    Troll. These threads wouldn't be nearly as "endless" if you didn't comment and you know it.

    IIRC, a lot of the pro-nose-breathers in the "Mouth is for eating nose..." thread admitted that for race pace or steep uphills, they had to mouth breathe, but you, apparently a sprinter, deliberately ignore that and call all nose breathing nonsense.
    Now, I can't say that Sandler's new-agey, evangelistic style appeals to me, but if others like it, so what?
     

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    This whole "discussion" is perpetuated on BOTH sides by those who enjoy "debating". Breathing is not a binary system.

    Medical face masks are designed to cover the nose and mouth, because air goes through both.
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    Oral and nasal breathing both have benefits and drawbacks. People often switch between breathing through their nose and mouth.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7444224

    In fact, many people don't choose. They do both, and breathe oronasally.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6622862

    There's no "better" way to breathe. Why must people draw such artificial distinctions?

    Both orifices are complementary. There's no need to limit yourself to just one or the other.
     
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    Don't quote me on this, but it think the most common oxygen delivery system in hospitals is through the nose. From what i understand full face masks tend to be used for administering a mixture of medication and air in a controlled way, so the full dose is delivered with minimal leakage. But in reality that's just red herring and has little to do with running.
    flo2w-oxygen-device1.jpg

    I personally can't claim authority over anything, i just gravitate to things that interest me and then work hard to try and master them. I feel i'm broadening my horizons rather than limiting them, but each to his own:)
     
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    A bit off topic... :D

    I brought up the face mask, only as a demonstration of anatomy, not medical science.

    Nasal cannula is the most common, but delivers much less oxygen than a face mask.
    http://www.thoracic.org/clinical/co...nt-oxygen-therapy/oxygen-delivery-methods.php

    In fact, when one breathes through the mouth, unless the nasal passages are obstructed, air will pass through both the nose and mouth, so the mask must cover both. That's why I brought up the face mask.
     
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    Learn to read. I was responding to a troll who used a straw-man argument. I said you'll never get enough oxygen through nose or belly breathing for maximal exercise, and he claimed I said the nose wasn't for breathing at all.

    Or maybe you think it was rude of me to contradict one of these ridiculous sales pitch threads? How dare I stand in the way of that guy's profits as he spams up an entire forum section. I should just stand by as this site devolves into a cesspool of sketchy advertisements and wing nut scams, so that mainstream runners interested in BFR will immediately about-face as soon as they see it. We don't want any normal people around here, only avant-garde types who enjoy a freak image. Only outside-the-boxers, movers and shakers, revolutionaries, against-the-grainers who will believe anything as long as it's different and wear that credulity like some kind of badge of honor. Aren't we special.

    The salesman who started this thread (by mod proxy, sadly) is a snake oil salesman and the title is baloney. No, you don't run faster by breathing slower. I make no apologies for contradicting him, nor for having to point out that those who believe his nonsense generally don't run fast. It's the truth, deal with it.
     
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    Hi kozz,
    the word "fast" has different meaning for long distance runners and sprinters. From the point of view of a sprinter, all long distance runners are relatively slow. But from their point of view, it is possible to run slightly less slow with nose breathing. Less slow is actually a little bit faster than just plain slow. Obviously for a sprinter there wouldn't be much difference in this kind of slow. And you are right of course: No long distance runner would ever run as fast as you do: with or without nose breathing.
     
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    I personally think we're pretty much like any other internet community with all the diversity and quirks that they offer. You'll be surprised at the chunks grannies take out of each other when someone drops a stitch over at the extreme knitting society.;)
    What will turn people away from a community more than anything is bad blood and backbiting amongst it's members.
    Give people space and the'll flourish, trust me that's all anyone wants, to be accepted and to feel part of something without fear of recrimination.
     
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    Personally, I think it is easier to stay relaxed while breathing through the nose, assuming the nose isn't stuffed up. It seems easier to unconsciously engage the accessory chest wall muscles while mouth breathing which will cause fatigue more quickly. All he is saying is to stay relaxed by focusing on slowing your breathing down -- it's not rocket science, nor is it zen Buddhism.

    In situations where the O2 exchange rate is equal we use nasal cannulas over masks mostly for to comfort. People feel smothered by a mask. You will extract slightly more O2 from a cannula if you breath through your nose while wearing one. The prongs don't go very deep into your nares so if you mouth breath while wearing one the vacuum created in the nose while inhaling through the mouth isn't very strong compared to the vacuum created while inhaling from the nose while wearing a cannula. Mouth breathing while wearing a cannula in the nose will allow a little of the O2 to escape into the atmosphere. 95% of the time the amount lost is inconsequential. That other 5% is while the patient is have an acute issue and you want every drop to get into the patient. Sometimes we put the cannula over the patients mouth. Some folks like it that way.

    A few thoughts on this Sandler character. I've watched him for some time now and I think he thinks he means well, and he probably intends to mean well, but . . . it is hard for me to take him seriously. He comes across as being very "serene" but is also very reckless. He's very proud of his many near death accidents -- he talks about them all of the time. From what I understand, his barefooted technique is more high impact, which doesn't surprise me. I think he has ADHD at the minimum. He is completely self taught -- and it shows. I worry that if he gains enough followers he might have them drink the kool-aid. I'm not sure how he gets the interviews he does but I don't think meshes well with the folks he talks to. He is too hyper and mildly obnoxious.
     
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    Kozz, I apologize for the troll remark. It felt to me like you were continuing your rant against all nose breathing while running and, hey, maybe you were. Personally, I'm not interested much in defending the original post. I think people are generally smart enough to figure out what to spend their money on, even if they have to learn the hard way.

    As for what the OP does to our image, well, it's basically TJ's site and she can do what she wants. It seems she will post anything BF related for all of us to take note or comment on as we will. Maybe she only does it to get people commenting. I don't have a problem with that. We're a big group with diverse interests and opinions.

    I don't know if Sandler is saying you can be a competitive sprinter while nose breathing. What I get out of it is that maybe it has helped increase my aerobic capacity. There's a steep hill nearby that I can use as a metric, which I could never get to the top without walking partway or mouth breathing, until recently. It could be that it would have happened anyway, with perseverance. I'll never know, but the nose breathing fits my generally calm personality.
     

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