Relaxation and bending knees

You must also be careful not to hit the wall after several hours of ale-to-mouth....I hear that while a higher bph is more efficient but also increases your likelihood
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I loved this when I saw it on tv! This is what happens to me if I TMTS when drinking. Beer and wine I am usually ok, although that homo erectus beer I had last night would be an exception to this rule. It's usually the hard alcohol that has me walking on my lips in true tmts fashion. I have no sensor that tells me when I've had too much so I think that means for me even a little is too much too soon.
 
I loved this when I saw it on tv! This is what happens to me if I TMTS when drinking. Beer and wine I am usually ok, although that homo erectus beer I had last night would be an exception to this rule. It's usually the hard alcohol that has me walking on my lips in true tmts fashion. I have no sensor that tells me when I've had too much so I think that means for me even a little is too much too soon.
Yah, same for m: wine or beer, the sensor works; hard stuff, the switch gets tripped. Luckily, I only like fermented beverages (sorry 7ships).
 
I've been using the traditional 2bph drinking cadence, because I have a longish drinking volume (pint versus 12 oz). Do you think a 3bph cadential compromise is in order to achieve peak drinking efficiency with the smaller volume of (post)modern craft bibation? Although I've been an ale-to-mouth drinker for quite sometime, I'm just starting to look into the science of 'natural drinking,' having just read "Born to Drink"(the trend has become so popular now, they even have shirts:


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). Do yo
u know of any videos I can look at for tips, or is that Zetti's department?

It would really be helpful if you would send me a video of your drinking form. Then I can best see what you are doing wrong:)
 
Remember TMTS rule when starting this drinking journey. :)
Being of Irish descent, I grew up in a beered environment and therefore had none of the shackles or 'castings' of a non-beer development. As such I have no need of concern for TMTS, unless that means 'Too Malty, Tastes Stale;' That is an issue of another stripe.

Oh, and Nick. The Homo Erectus is powerful stuff, to be sure. Walking Man is a good brewer!
 
Plenty of anecdotal evidence that mouth-to-glass drinking results in less injuries than using a straw.
Can I start the argument that cadence is going to vary depending on factors such as height, weight, experience, length of session & drink of choice?
 
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With any change in technique just remember to take things slowly, if something hurts back off for a while. It can be very easy to over-think things when you're first starting out so just take things slowly and your form will come naturally.
What do you think concretely? Should I simply stop thinking and run on the ball of my feet?
 
First I have to thank you for your fast responses (and for the funny one too :D ). But my problem is, that I tried the last year a lot of barefoot running forms (more knee bending, less bending, more relaxation, upright posture, less upright posture) and I can't get through it to run even one mile without (mostly) knee pain. What I'm doing wrong? There must be a simple key, a simple thing, a simple trick, a simple adjustment that I just don't know and don't consider while I'm running. But what? :confused:
 
What do you think concretely? Should I simply stop thinking and run on the ball of my feet?
NO! Do not run on the ball of your foot. If you do this consciously, you may exaggerate it, and not unload properly with the heel landing, which will put a lot of stress on your forefoot, Achilles, and calves. You might try running at a faster pace a bit, faster than you can sustain for a long time, because for me and, I have since read, for a lot of people, it's easier to find good form at a faster pace. Then imagine that same form at a slower pace, making the obvious corrections for stride rate, length, and limb range of motion. Or look at a video of Mark Cuccuzzella running, or Jason (at various paces), or at some of the elites, and try to emulate them. There's also a good chance that your form is just fine.
 
First I have to thank you for your fast responses (and for the funny one too :D ). But my problem is, that I tried the last year a lot of barefoot running forms (more knee bending, less bending, more relaxation, upright posture, less upright posture) and I can't get through it to run even one mile without (mostly) knee pain. What I'm doing wrong? There must be a simple key, a simple thing, a simple trick, a simple adjustment that I just don't know and don't consider while I'm running. But what? :confused:
Sorry, wrote the above before I saw this. Maybe try shifting your question to the Coach Talk forum? There's a video analysis section there:

http://www.thebarefootrunners.org/threads/video-analysis-a-fun-little-game.7144/
 
Lee has wise words for sure, b.(y). o.b. In my experience, both as a barefoot runner and a shodfoot runner, the more i think, the worse things get. If I just get into the moment and go with it, things have a tendency to fall into place. The trick is to maintain a sense of awareness/consciousness without being overly analytical about things.

I often think the Barefoot Gentile approach of just going out and running is the best. I've been sneaking some barefoot runs (don't get too excited brs'ers. My mets instantly hurt after a 30 foot jaunt up and down my driveway yesterday), and the less thinking I do the better it seems to go. You CAN bend the knees too much, too. This will exert pressure on the knee and lead to some discomfort (it did in my case, adn there are references to it somewhere, but I am far too lazy right now to sort out where. If I get motivated I'll see what I can dig up).
 
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The trick is to maintain a sense of awareness/consciousness without being overly analytical about things.
So true, and so tricky.

I often think the Barefoot Gentile approach of just going out and running is the best.

You have to remember that before BG took up BFR, he had already been running for close to 2 decades, so his case might not be that exemplary, although I wholly endorse it when possible.
 
Just throwing this out there, but is the knee bend cause or effect? I've been playing around with my form a bit & consciously using my glutes more to pull my legs up & found my knees bending more as they came up behind me. Deliberately bending the knee at this point would, as far as I can figure, be of no use whatsoever. (The one time I tried to bend my knees more as I came into the strike was definitely a mistake - it hurt)
 
Just throwing this out there, but is the knee bend cause or effect? I've been playing around with my form a bit & consciously using my glutes more to pull my legs up & found my knees bending more as they came up behind me. Deliberately bending the knee at this point would, as far as I can figure, be of no use whatsoever. (The one time I tried to bend my knees more as I came into the strike was definitely a mistake - it hurt)
As I understand it the knee bend is mostly a reflexive. As you push off the ground to achieve/maintain lift, the leg will be pulled forward as a reflex. The lower leg, meanwhile, will be pulled upwards through inertia. Even with patients with spinal cord injuries, if you pull their leg (sorry) backwards, it will reflexively spring forward, since the neurons involved do not have to travel all the way back up to the brain to make this happen.
It seems to me that a far more productive path towards making sure your knees and hips are working properly, besides running, is to do strength, flexibility, and balance exercises when you're not running. Then when you are, focus on good form, which is basically posture and foot landing, and perhaps, as a further tweak, the timing of your push to achieve/maintain lift.
 
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Just throwing this out there, but is the knee bend cause or effect? I've been playing around with my form a bit & consciously using my glutes more to pull my legs up & found my knees bending more as they came up behind me.
I think the OP is talking about landing with a bent knee...not actually the amount that you bend your knee on upswing...
 

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