Another barefoot runner winning...
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/12/27/234431_news.html
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/12/27/234431_news.html
Barefoot Nick breaks through to win freezing Rip to River
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Wait, he won a 10K after
Wait, he won a 10K after barefooting for only a couple days?! What, was he just born with perfect form?! Pretty beastly though, hopefully he keeps it up, to make barefooters look good. (Or bad, if people start comparing the rest of our times to his.)
Wait, he won a 10K after barefooting for only a couple days?! What, was he just born with perfect form?! Pretty beastly though, hopefully he keeps it up, to make barefooters look good. (Or bad, if people start comparing the rest of our times to his.)
Perhaps he had a good form
Perhaps he had a good form before he shed the shoes. Maybe he got a ton of blisters, but they didn't report on that. Perhaps we are all born with perfect form, but somewhere along the way, shoes came along and screwed it all up for us?
Perhaps he had a good form before he shed the shoes. Maybe he got a ton of blisters, but they didn't report on that. Perhaps we are all born with perfect form, but somewhere along the way, shoes came along and screwed it all up for us?
Must have had. Or maybe he
Must have had. Or maybe he spent enough time barefoot as a kid that he actually figured out how to run right before he got stuffed in shoes. And I'm pretty sure toddlers don't have perfect form TJ, shoes or no. (Though doctors are now recommending that you let kids go barefoot, because they learn to walk much quicker without shoes getting in the way. Now why can't they just put 2 and 2 together and realize that you can learn to run better without shoes on?)
Must have had. Or maybe he spent enough time barefoot as a kid that he actually figured out how to run right before he got stuffed in shoes. And I'm pretty sure toddlers don't have perfect form TJ, shoes or no. (Though doctors are now recommending that you let kids go barefoot, because they learn to walk much quicker without shoes getting in the way. Now why can't they just put 2 and 2 together and realize that you can learn to run better without shoes on?)
I'm pretty sure kids do have
I'm pretty sure kids do have perfect form. I have an 8 year old and a 4 year old, and they run with perfect form. Anyone who has children has watched their children run (with or without shoes) when they were young and have noticed the nice pickup of the feet and high butt kick they have, as well as the ease and freeness in which they run. This is a natural healthy form.
I'm pretty sure kids do have perfect form. I have an 8 year old and a 4 year old, and they run with perfect form. Anyone who has children has watched their children run (with or without shoes) when they were young and have noticed the nice pickup of the feet and high butt kick they have, as well as the ease and freeness in which they run. This is a natural healthy form.
Brings up a question I've
Brings up a question I've recently had. Form-wise, I've heard recommendations (Sandler, et al) to run very tall, like you have a string attached to the top of your head constantly pulling you up and slightly forward. Then yesterday, I was on Barefoot KBs website for the first time and he talked about running with your knees bent and said he'd seen lots of folks who don't bend enough and no one who bends too much. If I'm thinking about running tall, it's kinda awkward to then concentrate on trying to run with bent knees. Form thoughts on that :quest:
Brings up a question I've recently had. Form-wise, I've heard recommendations (Sandler, et al) to run very tall, like you have a string attached to the top of your head constantly pulling you up and slightly forward. Then yesterday, I was on Barefoot KBs website for the first time and he talked about running with your knees bent and said he'd seen lots of folks who don't bend enough and no one who bends too much. If I'm thinking about running tall, it's kinda awkward to then concentrate on trying to run with bent knees. Form thoughts on that :quest:
TxTFt, Yup! You can and
TxTFt, Yup!
You can and should be doing both. Lower your center of gravity, dropping your hips a bit and bending knees. AND keep your back and shoulders relaxed but extended more upwards than you might do normally. No hunched shoulders and dropped head. Some people think about keeping their CofG over their hips and strive not to stride out in front too much. Good form helps make it all work, especially with the short, high cadence steps.
TxTFt, Yup!
You can and should be doing both. Lower your center of gravity, dropping your hips a bit and bending knees. AND keep your back and shoulders relaxed but extended more upwards than you might do normally. No hunched shoulders and dropped head. Some people think about keeping their CofG over their hips and strive not to stride out in front too much. Good form helps make it all work, especially with the short, high cadence steps.
When Ken Bob visited, he told
When Ken Bob visited, he told me to make sure my knees were as bent as I could get them, even if I thought I couldn't bend them that much (I found I could), and to make sure my spine is straight. That is what is meant by tall. He said to relax your shoulders and keep you spine straight and tall. I've heard Danny Dryer, Chi Running, using that same visual about the string at the top of the head.
When Ken Bob visited, he told me to make sure my knees were as bent as I could get them, even if I thought I couldn't bend them that much (I found I could), and to make sure my spine is straight. That is what is meant by tall. He said to relax your shoulders and keep you spine straight and tall. I've heard Danny Dryer, Chi Running, using that same visual about the string at the top of the head.
-Off topic warning-My
-Off topic warning-
My problem with the ChiRunning book is, it says to increase your speed you have to lengthen your stride. :shock: I had been meaning to ask you guys about this, but kept forgetting. The book says your cadence should always be the same, and to increase speed you increase your lean, and your stride length. But from what I have read here, on Ken Bob's site, and Jason's book, increasing your stride length is never a good thing.
-Off topic warning-
My problem with the ChiRunning book is, it says to increase your speed you have to lengthen your stride. :shock: I had been meaning to ask you guys about this, but kept forgetting. The book says your cadence should always be the same, and to increase speed you increase your lean, and your stride length. But from what I have read here, on Ken Bob's site, and Jason's book, increasing your stride length is never a good thing.
Extended upper body, with
Extended upper body, with bent knees - so Stomper's Bigfoot photo really is demonstrating proper form, eh
Extended upper body, with bent knees - so Stomper's Bigfoot photo really is demonstrating proper form, eh
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You noticed! thanks! I like my bent knees in that shot, but my arms aren't engaged enough. It's hard to keep your cadence up when your arms are hanging down to the ground. But that damn costume was so heavy.... oops did I just say costume? I mean my arms are worn out from pulling the 42 pounds of roots I need to eat every day.
Anyway, Mike et al, about chiRunning.
Danny Dreyer didn't come up with the whole "thread pulling your head up" thing; it's a traditional way of explaining tai chi posture. But we need to give the guy credit; he created and popularized a much more natural way of running and his philosophy is really positive.
His chiRunning ideal form is similar to barefoot form, but if you try to follow it religiously, you will occasionally find it conflicts with the what your body wants to do BF. Dreyer says to speed up by increasing your lean and lengthening your stride BACKWARDS via rotation of your hip. I find BF I want to alter my cadence and stride length to suit the conditions.
chiRunning says to listen to your body, as long as it doesn't conflict with the ideal. BF running says just do whatever and figure it out.
txtenderfoot said:Extended upper body, with bent knees - so Stomper's Bigfoot photo really is demonstrating proper form, eh
You noticed! thanks! I like my bent knees in that shot, but my arms aren't engaged enough. It's hard to keep your cadence up when your arms are hanging down to the ground. But that damn costume was so heavy.... oops did I just say costume? I mean my arms are worn out from pulling the 42 pounds of roots I need to eat every day.
Anyway, Mike et al, about chiRunning.
Danny Dreyer didn't come up with the whole "thread pulling your head up" thing; it's a traditional way of explaining tai chi posture. But we need to give the guy credit; he created and popularized a much more natural way of running and his philosophy is really positive.
His chiRunning ideal form is similar to barefoot form, but if you try to follow it religiously, you will occasionally find it conflicts with the what your body wants to do BF. Dreyer says to speed up by increasing your lean and lengthening your stride BACKWARDS via rotation of your hip. I find BF I want to alter my cadence and stride length to suit the conditions.
chiRunning says to listen to your body, as long as it doesn't conflict with the ideal. BF running says just do whatever and figure it out.
Ken Bob told me to let my
Ken Bob told me to let my stride "open" behind me. And yes, Danny didn't coin that and neither did Michael.
I rarely follow any of this advice and just run. I must be doing something right because running barefoot doesn't injure me. Now, of course, I'm a slowpoke turtle.
Ken Bob told me to let my stride "open" behind me. And yes, Danny didn't coin that and neither did Michael.
I rarely follow any of this advice and just run. I must be doing something right because running barefoot doesn't injure me. Now, of course, I'm a slowpoke turtle.
Yea, that's what I figure
Yea, that's what I figure too, Danjo. My problem is just that I have no sense of urgency when I run.
Yea, that's what I figure too, Danjo. My problem is just that I have no sense of urgency when I run.
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