Newbie....with orthotics and PF!

MsMonny

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Feb 27, 2017
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hi all

I'm a newbie to both running and barefoot. My story so far....

I ran in my 20's and loved the feeling of being by myself, listening to my breath and being in the zone. i stopped due to lifestyle and just couldn't be bothered any more....parties were more important. In my early 30's I had my first child and this was my first taste of Plantar Fasciitis. Got orthotics and hated them. After a while I ditched them and the Birkenstock shoes (that everyone raves about...you know, those moulded, shaped sandals?!) and felt good to wear flats again. I did a bit of gym work (weights) after my second child but no running.

So I hit 40 and after a couple of years I knew I wanted to do running again.....except I ended up being a cripple after 10 mins into the run. My calves were like rocks. I was perplexed. I never got injured or felt like this in my 20's. I got a Running Coach to watch me and he said I heel striked. After a bit of time with him, I learned not to and it made such a huge difference. I was ill for a while, and life took over (kids!!!) before I could commit fully to learning to run.

This Jan I started 'learn to run' training sessions through a fb group. Got to 4 weeks and BAM, that plantar fasciitis came back with a vengeance. I tried to persevere but it wasn't going away. I am on my feet all day for work as well. So I went to a podiatrist who did some dry needling, chiropractic on my feet and gave me exercises to do. We ended up getting orthotics (my old ones were not suited anymore...I'm just surprised I kept them actually).

So this was two weeks ago. I haven't ran in over two weeks....not that my running was fast nor long. More like intervals of jogging and walking.

Why am I here?

When I was with the running coach he mentioned (nearly under his breath) about 'barefoot runners' like Vibrams etc. I questioned more but he wouldn't elaborate and said I should stick to striking midfoot and I will be okay in sneakers. I searched up barefoot and did some reading. I thought it was too 'out there' for me and didn't give it another thought....... until now.

In a runners group on fb nearly every second day someone is complaining about PF or Achilles problems etc. Why???? If they are running in the best runners money can buy, why are they still getting hurt?? Seems ludicrous. So here I am in good runners with PF! Not happy Jan! (Sorry, only Aussies will get that bit about Jan).

I then read 'Born To Run' and it opened my eyes even more plus I am also reading Ken Bobs book on the subject at the moment.

My dilemma....

What should I do first?

* Wear my orthotics and start to strengthen my core and hips. So basically, keep running in my orthotics while I heal and strengthen from top to bottom?? Strengthen by yoga etc.

* Or ditch the orthotics all together and start barefoot straight away plus strengthening the core and hips (which I have read can attribute to PF etc).

I am a good 20kg overweight and feel this certainly will impact on my PF as well as my core strength and ability to run BF. Regular massage on my calves will be a must as they are sooooo tight, esp lower inner calf on my left which is quite tender and has been since getting the orthotics. I purchaed a pair of zero drop shoes for work (they arrive this week).

I am afraid though!

Afraid I won't be able to 'bend ze knees' properly when BF running... afraid I won't be able to 'lift' the feet rather than 'push off' like I do now... afraid of the cold on my feet... afraid of what others will say... afraid that it will take me soooooooooo long to adapt and transition to BF that I give up, thus not completing my 10km goal by the end of the year...

Some great advice was given to me in a barefoot running group on fb (I think I saw one of your members was in that group) about taking it slow etc. but after having my orthotics for a little bit I am not sure of which way to go, and this is why I am here....a lot more people to reach out to.

Advice?

TIA... and sorry for the looooong novel.
 
Hi Monny, glad you're, welcome!
Sorry to hear about your troubles, first of all, I think you should start by ditching the orthotics, secondly, try running barefoot in place, that way you'll know how to lift the knees feel like. Also, you might want to look into the 100 up technique it's another way of learning how to lift and land safely, lastly, you want to venture outdoors and try to run barefoot, as in naked feet(no "barefoot" running shoes) try going five minutes and no more than that for one day, take notice how your feet are feeling the next day and if everything feels good then do it again the day after. Play it safe and try running every other day. I know five minutes is not much but it's a start and better than nothing.
If it helps you I must tell you that I went cold turkey and it worked wonders for me that was almost ten years ago? since then I have done several marathons/half marathons and countless of other shorter distances.
Good luck!
 
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I started into my barefoot journey with some similarities - I had PF and frustrated (especially since I had just bought the most expensive pair of running shoes I could find lol). I'm not entirely sure it was PF but that was what the doc said plus I had very tender lower legs, especially on the inner side it was very sore to the touch... I remember a few times laying on the bed reading or watching tv and my son climbing around and bumped my legs and the pain would send me through the roof lol!

Barefoot was just not my style before, so it was a huge change. My feet were very sensitive and soft, they always lived in shoes and socks even on a hot summer day, indoors. So I was about an un-barefoot as they come, and the transition took ages but I pulled it off.

I pretty much went cold turkey barefoot. But I did rehab my PF first, I don't think it was as bad as yours. Well it was really bad for a few days couldn't even walk without using hiking poles, but it faded in a couple weeks (I did work on stretches and self massage, etc). That was late spring/early summer. I didn't read up about barefoot running for a few weeks, and got back into regular running but very easy runs only. I decided to buy a book, Jason Robillard's The Barefoot Running Book. It was excellent for starting out, and I wager Ken Bob's is as good so your fine there, but I have not read that one. I did buy some zero drop shoes, not to run in, but just to start walking around my daily life with more minimalist shoes. I had a 5k I really wanted to run in late summer, and decided it'd be my last run before going barefoot. But first, a couple weeks before my cold turkey date, I started walking barefoot. My road is very rough old asphalt and chip seal. Just walking on it was ouchy at first. But I went out and walked for a bit each day, sometimes morning and night. After a couple weeks of barefoot walking and I did that last shod race, I ditched the shoes and went for my first barefoot runs. Very short at first - just down the road a couple utility poles and back. I only did it every other day, but kept walking every day I could. After 3x runs of the same distance I would add another utility pole or two. It was slow progression but for my super sensitive footsies it worked well. I think it took me about half a year to get up to 5k, at least on my chip seal road. In the beginning I also did some of the activities that Jason's book mentioned to help strengthen the feet and practice coordination and whatnot.

That was summer/fall 2011. I ran my first barefoot race, a 5k, the following spring. Since then I've worked up to a few full marathons barefoot, as well as multi-day hikes in the mountains all barefoot (like in my current avatar).

I have had a few times I thought the PF might be coming back, it still can be problem barefoot. Learning to run barefoot might feel magical for many of us but realize it isn't actually magic and you'll still have plenty of problems and regular old stuff that bothers shoddies can still get us too. Sometimes long term damage is already done to our feet by the time we are the age we are wearing shoes our whole life, or our individual bio mechanics might predispose up to certain conditions and injuries. But I think relearning to run barefoot gives us the best shot and good natural form. I've really struggled with sore calves along the way, so sore after my earlier marathon that it clenched tight on the achilles and strained it. For the last couple years when I ever I do really intense runs or really big races my one right calf and achilles still has some pain. Might just be something I have to live with. But it's only under extreme conditions it gets bad. But I am so happy I took the crazy plunge, I've been able to run so much longer than I thought possible (my longest run prior was a 10k). And it's been so fun too! Yeah, their is often some hecklers out there or folks just freaked out by the whole barefoot thing but that doesn't bother me I grew up the kid that was picked on all the time I have a tough skin, (figuratively, but now literally too ;) ). Wow I guess I ended up writing a book! Sorry :shy:

Welcome to the forums and hope you stick around, ask questions, and good luck!
 
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Welcome!
 
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Wow I guess I ended up writing a book! Sorry :shy:

Welcome to the forums and hope you stick around, ask questions, and good luck!

Good grief Tristan, you could easily have ran a 10 miler in that amount of time you spend writing the "book". ;)
 
:barefoot:Hi MsM. Welcome.
That's an interesting back story.

For what it's worth, and bearing in mind that there are members on this forum that are way more qualified and/or experienced than me to point you in the right direction, my two cents worth based on my own journey experiences is:-

Firstly, you mention a couple of injuries –calf strains and PF. I am fortunate enough not to have suffered with PF, so I don’t really have any knowledge of that. I do believe, based on what others have said however that it can be quite debilitating. Tristan has mentioned it above -which sounds reasonably positive, so hopefully with that input and any other tips that people might chip in with you'll be ok to deal with that.

Regarding calf pain, I would say get clear of your injury as your first priority if you can. Maybe go to a good physio to check that there’s nothing serious underlying the problem and then get a decent deep massage on them if the physio thinks that’s appropriate –it’ll probably be a bit of an uncomfortable experience, but it should loosen you up (it did for me!)..

Then work on your re-hab. So do regular stretching each day, start to perhaps build in some unweighted squats to your routine and some heel raises too.
Walk barefoot as much as possible -your calf muscles need to become accustomed to working at that length, as opposed to with your heel being permanently raised from the ground in a shoe.

Then aim to progress really really slowly –walk distances barefoot first, then introduce some runs, then increase distance very gradually. All the time have in mind that if you feel pain, rest and go back down a level. –Yes it is a long process… I know mine was.

Keep at it & try and be patient (easier said than done;)..).

You might find your goal of 10km by the end of the year is too much (of course you might not too) –I would say just aim to be able to run comfortably so that you can enjoy it first –distance will hopefully follow.

Can't think of anything else (& it's all just anecdotal of course!).

Good luck & have fun on your journey...
 
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Thank you for your replies..... sorry it took a bit of time to reply back, its been a busy week (and I loathe typing on my phone or ipad, so I have to wait till I am on the computer).....

So, it looks like it will be a while before I will be running barefoot. I tried the 100 up technique and OMG, my hips are so stiff that I barely could do 50. How embarrassing. I decided that I will get my fitness up by walking and my flexibility by yoga and home exercises (squats, lunges, wall sits etc) before I hit the path with running. My 10km by the end of the year will not be happening, I don't think, but I am ok with that even though I am soooooo impatient. I know this is the right way to go (barefoot vs cushioned shoes) but I still feel quite overwhelmed with it all and need to get my head around it, I think. It would be lovely to have a coach of some sort, but I know that prob isn't possible PLUS I am not fit enough yet to get a coach for this. I am just so glad that Ive got you awesome peeps to keep up my motivation and to show me I am not alone in all of this.

There is a 'chip seal' road my house is on and it feels good to walk on that, so I think I will just walk up and down that road, as part of my program, to get my feet use to the rough surface.

Also, I have been quite naughty and eating a lot of sugar and carbs this past week and either coincidentally or not, the pain in my heel and arch has been so bad, that I was hobbling yesterday!! I know that sugar contributes to inflammation in the body but just wondering if it also contributes to my PF as well??? Time will tell. Back on the bandwagon this week to clean up my eating, get my stretching and massaging of my calves and feet and walking around barefoot!!!

BTW, is 6mm heel too high to use for walking around at work? I found these very cheap slip on shoes and I measured the heel and its 6mm and the sole is 3mm, with no significant padding on the inside sole. I bought some vivobarefoot shoes for work but they do not have them in black and unfort that is the colour I need to wear.

I will update my progress on my 'journey' .... while reading all your posts that you share.

Once again, thanks!! :D A lot to take in and a lot to do and it will be baby (bare) footsteps to get my feet barefoot running ready.
 
Regarding calf pain, I would say get clear of your injury as your first priority if you can. Maybe go to a good physio to check that there’s nothing serious underlying the problem and then get a decent deep massage on them if the physio thinks that’s appropriate –it’ll probably be a bit of an uncomfortable experience, but it should loosen you up (it did for me!)..

Then work on your re-hab. So do regular stretching each day, start to perhaps build in some unweighted squats to your routine and some heel raises too.
Walk barefoot as much as possible -your calf muscles need to become accustomed to working at that length, as opposed to with your heel being permanently raised from the ground in a shoe.

Then aim to progress really really slowly –walk distances barefoot first, then introduce some runs, then increase distance very gradually. All the time have in mind that if you feel pain, rest and go back down a level. –Yes it is a long process… I know mine was.

Thank you :D Great advice that I will def take on board.
 
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Wow I guess I ended up writing a book! Sorry :shy:

Welcome to the forums and hope you stick around, ask questions, and good luck!

hahaha.....that nearly tops my intro!! Great advice too. :D

One thing I am so glad about is that my feet are not all disfigured from cramped shoes or high heels and when I am barefoot there is good space between the toes and my toes are straight. Thank goodness for not putting up with my feet being hurt when trying to wear fashion shoes!!!
 
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