and you other ones who are interested.. This is a very interesting video
Paleo dieters - you need to see this...
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Fascinating! I need to watch it again; she covered so much stuff in such a short amount of time. Thanks, Line!
I do believe that the Paleo Diet is a great diet.
But I also believe that you need to know why and what you do and if it really is true what you think is true..
I'm glad you enjoyed the video
But I also believe that you need to know why and what you do and if it really is true what you think is true..
I'm glad you enjoyed the video
Oh no! Another health/diet/fitness trend exposed as marketing blather. Pretty soon they'll discover that there are no 'core' muscles, or that you don't need to run with 180 cadence no matter what the pace.
Thanks for the video Line! Nice to see anthropological reasoning get a wider audience.
This past spring a part time yoga teacher I ran into asked me what I did for my core. She was interested in adding more "core work" for her students, so I told her how many reps of crunches I did and how long I held them etc.
She said that sounded more like sit-ups and not really core work.
Oh well, she liked my core strength just not how I got there.
Of course nobody even had a core til maybe 10 years ago!
all "diets" seem to contradict themselves and outsiders always do poor representations of them. paleo isn't about eating more meat. it's about not eating grains and processed foods. eating more veggies, nuts, and upping your fat intake.
paleos contradict themselves by saying you need to increase your fat consumption but eat lean meats.
eat organ meats which contain more fat, vitamins, and minerals.
there is no way modern man can eat the way our ancestors did but we can certainly do better by not eating processed junk.
paleos contradict themselves by saying you need to increase your fat consumption but eat lean meats.
eat organ meats which contain more fat, vitamins, and minerals.there is no way modern man can eat the way our ancestors did but we can certainly do better by not eating processed junk.
Agreed, she misrepresented the emphasis on meat. I think only some strains of the Paleo/Primal diet do that, right?all "diets" seem to contradict themselves and outsiders always do poor representations of them. paleo isn't about eating more meat. it's about not eating grains and processed foods. eating more veggies, nuts, and upping your fat intake.
paleos contradict themselves by saying you need to increase your fat consumption but eat lean meats.
there is no way modern man can eat the way our ancestors did but we can certainly do better by not eating processed junk.
But I'm glad she put paid the whole nonsense about grains. Any plant that is domesticated is first consumed wild. The domestication of grains 10-12,000 years ago was part of a larger, huge advance in human technology: the domestication of plants in general (hope TJ doesn't find this too pompous).
Hmnn don't eat processed crap. Hardly a revelation:
"Junk food is a derisive slang term for food that is of little nutritional value and often high in fat, sugar, salt, and calories. It is widely believed that the term was coined by Michael Jacobson, director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, in 1972." (Wikipedia)
Ha! I did some incline sit-ups about an hour ago, later I'll do some dynamic stretching involving standing leg lifts, side-to-side and front-to-back, with ankle weights. Yesterday I did deadlifts and squats, the day before crunches, bicycle sit-ups, and leg lifts, tomorrow I'm going to do some landmines and hanging sit-ups. Too bad none of it is officially recognized as 'core' work. I guess I'm missing out. I tried to do plank exercises--mostly a waste of time in my opinion. The only thing I kept were the renegade rows (with dumbbells, not kettlebells), but weight-lifters have known about those for a long while. I also like doing pikes with suspension straps and hyperextensions with a(n in)stability ball, with my feet tucked under the bench, for stability. I don't know if those count as official core exercises.
http://www.craigliebenson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/sdarticle.pdf
http://www.fitness.com/articles/1547/core_stability_myths_exposed.php
all "diets" seem to contradict themselves and outsiders always do poor representations of them. paleo isn't about eating more meat. it's about not eating grains and processed foods. eating more veggies, nuts, and upping your fat intake.
paleos contradict themselves by saying you need to increase your fat consumption but eat lean meats.
there is no way modern man can eat the way our ancestors did but we can certainly do better by not eating processed junk.
Yeah that video is just fluff...I didn't see any debunking more like accidental promotion of Paleo...she should write your own Paleo book.
I think for me, even though I've only read a little bit on it, the most important takeaway from the Paleo diet has been that it's OK to eat animal flesh, something I think vegans needed to hear, and that at least certain kinds of fat are OK, something most of us probably needed to hear. Other than that, I think we've known many of the lessons found in the Paleo/Primal diet since at least the time of Euell Gibbons. About the only influence it's had on me is to get more serious about eating protein first thing in the morning, so I've ditched my whole grain cereal with fruit for nuts with dried fruit. I've also reduced my grain carbs, but still eat and enjoy them.
That paper is very interesting, and very long. It's five years old now, and probably most trainers paid no attention. The author says that the "core stability" concept started in the early 90's, so it's now around twenty years old! The conclusions listed on the second from last page are:
Conclusion
Weak trunk muscles, weak abdominals and imbalances
between trunk muscles groups are not a pathology just
a normal variation.
The division of the trunk into core and global muscle
system is a reductionist fantasy, which serves only to
promote CS.
Weak or dysfunctional abdominal muscles will not lead
to back pain.
Tensing the trunk muscles is unlikely to provide any
protection against back pain or reduce the recurrence
of back pain.
Core stability exercises are no more effective than, and
will not prevent injury more than, any other forms of
exercise or physical therapy.
Core stability exercises are no better than other forms
of exercise in reducing chronic lower back pain. Any
therapeutic influence is related to the exercise effects
rather than stability issues.
There may be potential danger of damaging the spine
with continuous tensing of the trunk muscles during
daily and sports activities.
Patients who have been trained to use complex
abdominal hollowing and bracing manoeuvres should be
discouraged from using them.
so if i remember this correctly grains are modified grasses. ruminants, cows and such, have multi compartment stomachs so they can process these. we only have a one compartment so avoiding them makes sense. except for corn. i can't do that. my native ancestors here say the gods came and made us out of corn.
Our intestines are also much longer than carnivores', so by your logic, we should avoid all animal flesh.
The fact is, we're omnivores. Our teeth and digestive tract are a compromise between herbivorous and carnivorous diets. We've evolved to eat just about everything, anywhere. The advantage we moderns enjoy is that we aren't limited to any one habitat or season and so can optimize our nutrition.
At least we can agree on corn. Just avoid the GMO stuff that makes the insides of pests explode.
Cool, will look into it.
Pretty good list (http://www.westonaprice.org/basics/dietary-guidelines), not always easy to follow, but my wife and I are definitely trying:
- Eat whole, natural foods.
- Eat only foods that will spoil, but eat them before they do.
- Eat naturally-raised meat including fish, seafood, poultry, beef, lamb, game, organ meats and eggs.
- Eat whole, naturally-produced milk products from pasture-fed cows, preferably raw and/or fermented, such as whole yogurt, cultured butter, whole cheeses and fresh and sour cream.
- Use only traditional fats and oils including butter and other animal fats, extra virgin olive oil, expeller expressed sesame and flax oil and the tropical oils—coconut and palm.
- Eat fresh fruits and vegetables, preferably organic, in salads and soups, or lightly steamed.
- Use whole grains and nuts that have been prepared by soaking, sprouting or sour leavening to neutralize phytic acid and other anti-nutrients.
- Include enzyme-enhanced lacto-fermented vegetables, fruits, beverages and condiments in your diet on a regular basis.
- Prepare homemade meat stocks from the bones of chicken, beef, lamb or fish and use liberally in soups and sauces.
- Use herb teas and coffee substitutes in moderation.
- Use filtered water for cooking and drinking.
- Use unrefined Celtic sea salt and a variety of herbs and spices for food interest and appetite stimulation.
- Make your own salad dressing using raw vinegar, extra virgin olive oil and expeller expressed flax oil.
- Use natural sweeteners in moderation, such as raw honey, maple syrup, dehydrated cane sugar juice and stevia powder.
- Use only unpasteurized wine or beer in strict moderation with meals.
- Cook only in stainless steel, cast iron, glass or good quality enamel.
- Use only natural supplements.
- Get plenty of sleep, exercise and natural light.
- Think positive thoughts and minimize stress.
- Practice forgiveness.
Corn is probably one of the most modified of the grains. The original corn probably looked much more like wheat than the huge cobs we see now. This modification was managed by Native Americans using selective breeding techniques. Of course, Monsanto and others have taken those modifications to a whole new level with GMO technology!
While our digestive systems probably cannot get as much nutrition out of grasses as cows and other ruminants, the seeds of those grasses are especially concentrated bundles of nutrition! The problem we have with modern grains is that most of the food made from them don't contain most of the seed. The nutritious parts have been refined out so that we can "enjoy" the sweat and tasty purified carbohydrate portion of the seeds.
Read the ingredients for supposedly "healthy and wholesome" multi-grain bread from Subway:
http://www.subway.com/Nutrition/Files/usProdIngredients.pdf
9-GRAIN WHEAT
"Enriched wheat flour (wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron, thiamine
mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, yeast, whole wheat flour, sugar, contains 2% or less of the
following: wheat gluten, oat fiber, soybean oil, wheat bran, salt, wheat, rye, yellow corn, oats, triticale,
brown rice, barley, flaxseed, millet, sorghum, yeast nutrients (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate,
ammonium sulfate), vitamin D2, dough conditioners (DATEM, sodium stearoyl lactylate, potassium
iodate, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide), caramel color, refinery syrup, honey, yeast extract, natural
flavor, enzymes."
Note that the first ingredient is "enriched wheat flour" (not WHOLE wheat). the first (and probably only) whole grain is after yeast ... that means there is more yeast than whole grain flour in this "multi-grain" bread (but it really sounds healthy when they use the word "grain" in the name, since we know that whole grain foods are better). The actual "multi" part of the recipe is somewhat accurate, though the other grains might also not be whole, and again, less than 2% of the total ingredients. So essentially this, what is marketed as wholesome and healthy, and people actually fall for these marketing strategies, is mostly white flour and sugar!
I'm not saying that everyone should eat grains (whole grains), but I am saying that most people are not eating whole and natural grains, when they believe they are, and we wonder why so many people are sick!
Likewise, meat and especially dairy, is not necessary for human consumption. Many of us even find the smell and taste of meat rather repulsive, and certainly not appetizing. A Vegan diet may not have been the most popular diet among our ancestors, and still isn't among modern humans. But, until and unless we stop reproducing at this ridiculous rate, so that we don't need to factory farm animals to feed the billions of people on this planet, a Vegan diet is going to be necessary, since it takes about 1/10th the resources to produce the same grains, as animals eating those grains in a factory farm ... Did you really believe that hamburger came from a cow that lived a long happy pastoral life grazing in the open field?
Vegan-ism may not be the diet of the past (though many individuals have thrived on Vegan diets since the beginning of recorded history), but it may well be the diet of the future.
Whatever diet you do choose for yourself, do look for whole, natural, unprocessed foods as much as practical. Do become educated so that marketing tactics designed to fool the ignorant won't work on you. And do realize that it is unnatural to feel constantly full.
Have fun,
-Barefoot Ken Bob
While our digestive systems probably cannot get as much nutrition out of grasses as cows and other ruminants, the seeds of those grasses are especially concentrated bundles of nutrition! The problem we have with modern grains is that most of the food made from them don't contain most of the seed. The nutritious parts have been refined out so that we can "enjoy" the sweat and tasty purified carbohydrate portion of the seeds.
Read the ingredients for supposedly "healthy and wholesome" multi-grain bread from Subway:
http://www.subway.com/Nutrition/Files/usProdIngredients.pdf
9-GRAIN WHEAT
"Enriched wheat flour (wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, iron, thiamine
mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, yeast, whole wheat flour, sugar, contains 2% or less of the
following: wheat gluten, oat fiber, soybean oil, wheat bran, salt, wheat, rye, yellow corn, oats, triticale,
brown rice, barley, flaxseed, millet, sorghum, yeast nutrients (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate,
ammonium sulfate), vitamin D2, dough conditioners (DATEM, sodium stearoyl lactylate, potassium
iodate, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide), caramel color, refinery syrup, honey, yeast extract, natural
flavor, enzymes."
Note that the first ingredient is "enriched wheat flour" (not WHOLE wheat). the first (and probably only) whole grain is after yeast ... that means there is more yeast than whole grain flour in this "multi-grain" bread (but it really sounds healthy when they use the word "grain" in the name, since we know that whole grain foods are better). The actual "multi" part of the recipe is somewhat accurate, though the other grains might also not be whole, and again, less than 2% of the total ingredients. So essentially this, what is marketed as wholesome and healthy, and people actually fall for these marketing strategies, is mostly white flour and sugar!
I'm not saying that everyone should eat grains (whole grains), but I am saying that most people are not eating whole and natural grains, when they believe they are, and we wonder why so many people are sick!
Likewise, meat and especially dairy, is not necessary for human consumption. Many of us even find the smell and taste of meat rather repulsive, and certainly not appetizing. A Vegan diet may not have been the most popular diet among our ancestors, and still isn't among modern humans. But, until and unless we stop reproducing at this ridiculous rate, so that we don't need to factory farm animals to feed the billions of people on this planet, a Vegan diet is going to be necessary, since it takes about 1/10th the resources to produce the same grains, as animals eating those grains in a factory farm ... Did you really believe that hamburger came from a cow that lived a long happy pastoral life grazing in the open field?
Vegan-ism may not be the diet of the past (though many individuals have thrived on Vegan diets since the beginning of recorded history), but it may well be the diet of the future.
Whatever diet you do choose for yourself, do look for whole, natural, unprocessed foods as much as practical. Do become educated so that marketing tactics designed to fool the ignorant won't work on you. And do realize that it is unnatural to feel constantly full.
Have fun,
-Barefoot Ken Bob
If you increase the (human) carrying capacity of the planet, you will end up increasing the human population, putting even greater pressure on non-food resources (water, energy, minerals). And monocropping soy, for example, is no better for the environment than factory farming pigs. We must be clear about cause and effect, form and content.
i know we're omnivores. i realized i should've stated that after i posted.
we don't need factory farms or feedlots to feed the world. just need to eat what we produce and store what we can. we waste a lot.
we don't need factory farms or feedlots to feed the world. just need to eat what we produce and store what we can. we waste a lot.
Not me, I belong to the clean-plate club!
The point I was trying to make is that we've probably been eating wild grains, along with wild everything else, for a very long time. We didn't start eating grains only after we discovered how to domesticate them, anymore than we only began to eat meat once we discovered how to domesticate wild animals.
If both grains and meats are less nutritious or even toxic because they've been bred to conform to consumer tastes and/or corporate profit, that's a separate issue, no?
Another possible flaw in the Paleo Diet argument is that it assumes that the evolution of digestive capacity is very slow. I think our ability to synthesize enzymes and amino acids and all those foul smelling juices evolves at a much faster rate than brains and bones. We know that pastoralist societies have a much lower incidence of lactose intolerance than non-pastoralist societies, for example.
Well one thing I know for sure, my old diet of mainly carbs (breads, pastas, cereals) a) left me hungry all the time no matter how much I ate, and b) ended up with me being 50Kg overweight. So that clearly didn't suit me.
I've been eating low carb high fat for 8 days and have lost 3Kg, and apart from today I haven't felt hungry at all. I think I'll still stick with it for a while.
Also, quite a few things in that video Prof Noakes actually agrees with. The part about peoples from different parts of the world evolving with different tolerances to carbs for example. It's well known that people originating from colder climates have historically eaten more meat/fish and less vegetables/fruits compared to people from hotter climates. Eg comparing Northern Europe to central Africa.
I've been eating low carb high fat for 8 days and have lost 3Kg, and apart from today I haven't felt hungry at all. I think I'll still stick with it for a while.
Also, quite a few things in that video Prof Noakes actually agrees with. The part about peoples from different parts of the world evolving with different tolerances to carbs for example. It's well known that people originating from colder climates have historically eaten more meat/fish and less vegetables/fruits compared to people from hotter climates. Eg comparing Northern Europe to central Africa.
