Stretching..Who Does and Who Doesn't?

Hobbit does bring up a good point. What kind of running do you do? The guy who got me into running back in the dark ages made the comment, "We don't run fast enough to warrant stretching." That pace was about an 8-minute mile. I must admit that in my mid 60s Yasso 800s, hill repeats and tempo runs are not something I do regularly.

Lee - if you dream about Denver or Colorado Springs as warmer climes, then I never want to move to Minnesota!!!
 
I still want to note, that you need to do what works for you. Not everybody is the same, me for instance, I cannot stretch prior to a run in the normal sense of the word, I have pulled more muscles trying to stretch cold muscles than I can even remember. Others like Dutchie swear by stretching and that is awesome too, as it works for him.

I believe you need to experiment to find that 'Aaahaaaa' Moment.
 
I still want to note, that you need to do what works for you.
Plus One to that, or whatever it is that the kids say nowadays.

That said, here's a pretty good and balanced argument for minimal stretching if you're a performance-oriented endurance runner: http://www.scienceofrunning.com/search/label/stretching. There's also a few references in there, in keeping with Wayne's initial request.

I found it interesting that as an aside, Magness notes that there is some evidence that stretching may enhance gains in strength training. And of course, the question of whether being limber is generally a worthwhile health or fitness goal is totally irrelevant to Magness's focus on endurance athletes' performance.
After a long run I hose my legs down with the garden hose, the cold water is an instance recovery tool.
I tried this a few weeks ago after a long run. It really works!
 
I tried this a few weeks ago after a long run. It really works!
So would you get the same benefit from just hoping into a cold shower or bath? I can see the argument for shower because you are still standing, but bath I can see going either way because for me when I sit my legs tighten, the add the cold water and who knows?
 
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So would you get the same benefit from just hoping into a cold shower or bath? I can see the argument for shower because you are still standing, but bath I can see going either way because for me when I sit my legs tighten, the add the cold water and who knows?
I dunno, I've only tried it once, but I think the advantage of the hose is that you only hose those parts that need the hosing. A lot of professional athletes take ice baths, so there's probably something to it, if we suspend disbelief for a moment and accept that pros might know what they're doing, but that can be breathtaking, I would think, based on my swimming experience in Minnesota lakes late spring/early autumn. I don't know if I want my testes migrating back to their original location right after a run.
 
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So would you get the same benefit from just hoping into a cold shower or bath? I can see the argument for shower because you are still standing, but bath I can see going either way because for me when I sit my legs tighten, the add the cold water and who knows?

I do the ice baths after long runs and it works much better than hosing the legs down.
Bath allows the coldness to go deeper into the muscles all the way to your butt and hips ahhhh, those hips really welcome that cold treatment:happy:
 
I do the ice baths after long runs and it works much better than hosing the legs down.
Bath allows the coldness to go deeper into the muscles all the way to your butt and hips ahhhh, those hips really welcome that cold treatment:happy:
I may have to start trying this again. I had tried cold baths (not ice but as cold as water would go) for 15 minutes or something like that a year or two ago but I don't know that I had noticed any significant benefit. Maybe there was and I just didn't realize it at the time.
 
I may have to start trying this again. I had tried cold baths (not ice but as cold as water would go) for 15 minutes or something like that a year or two ago but I don't know that I had noticed any significant benefit. Maybe there was and I just didn't realize it at the time.
Just plain cold water baths is better than nothing but I found the icy water the most beneficial.
 
I'm a relatively new runner with only a year of BF/minimal experience...and I have some related questions (albeit from a different angle):

Do your muscles get tight? When are they tight? Do you ever "think" they're not tight, but then do some self massage and discover they're actually very tight? Do you know why they get tight? This isn't a scientific question, but would like to hear from people who think they're certain to their answers to these questions.

I would love to know if people logging 30+ miles a week, or running marathons/ultras once or more a year, don't stretch...but more importantly (to me), are not tight! If you don't get tight muscles (and I mean...6-10 on a scale of 1-10, ) then I think more beneficial knowledge is why are your muscles not tight. For those of you who fit this bill - what is there daily routine, type of job, running pace, other sports, etc.). And if you don't stretch, but have very tight muscles, I don't know how you do it.

I don't run fast and only run up to an hour. I also bike (150-200k per week). And I sit at a desk five days a week. And if I don't stretch daily (and this is before I took up running) I would get tight muscles (5 out of 10). This includes in winter when I'm not cycling much, or in summer when I am. When I added running I would get tighter (8 out of 10). And when I didn't stretch, I would run (same pace/distance as when I did) and get more aches/pains.

I would love not to stretch because of the time involved, but I can't otherwise I end up sore or injured.

Thoughts...
 
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nooner, get a standing desk or a makeshift one. sitting is worse than stretching. :smuggrin:
 
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This where I got the idea about hosing down the legs after a run. I saw this short film a few years ago, and Jack Foster inspired me. I love this film, but if you want to jump to part which I am talking about forward to 10:21.
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/on-the-run-1979

I don't stretch, and I hate rolling my legs, I personally think too much rolling, or just rolling in general does worse harm than good. So now I just hose down the legs. I only do this after a long run, or if the legs start to feel tight. During the winter time I will use the shower, but I do recommend a garden hose for better results.
 
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I'm a relatively new runner with only a year of BF/minimal experience...and I have some related questions (albeit from a different angle):

Do your muscles get tight? When are they tight? Do you ever "think" they're not tight, but then do some self massage and discover they're actually very tight? Do you know why they get tight? This isn't a scientific question, but would like to hear from people who think they're certain to their answers to these questions.

I would love to know if people logging 30+ miles a week, or running marathons/ultras once or more a year, don't stretch...but more importantly (to me), are not tight! If you don't get tight muscles (and I mean...6-10 on a scale of 1-10, ) then I think more beneficial knowledge is why are your muscles not tight. For those of you who fit this bill - what is there daily routine, type of job, running pace, other sports, etc.). And if you don't stretch, but have very tight muscles, I don't know how you do it.

Four years ago I started running a marathon a year, I am currently training for my 4th marathon now. I do average 30+ miles in training and do feel tight at times but still don't stretch, at all. I use the hose technique which works wonders for me. During my first marathon when I didn't really know what I was doing, I did a lot of stretching, my body was not responding well to the all the stretching, so I stopped. I would rather have my muscles tightly wound, I don't want to have any elasticity, especially in the hamstrings. I just got a new job 6 months ago and it's my first desk job, before that I was on my feet all day working in facilities for 10 years At 42 years old, I kind of dig the desk job now, but I am always walking a lot as well, I work in manufacturing factory, so out in the shop as well. I play basketball in the fall, ride my bike, and other things. The more experience you get the better the legs will respond
 
Do your muscles get tight? When are they tight? Do you ever "think" they're not tight, but then do some self massage and discover they're actually very tight? Do you know why they get tight? This isn't a scientific question, but would like to hear from people who think they're certain to their answers to these questions.
It's always difficult to believe others' experience can be radically different from our own. That's why anthropology was invented ("to make the strange familiar, and the familiar strange"). I recently talked to a bunch of old college friends about barefoot running and they were incredulous that a subset of barefoot runners have decided that stretching is bad for you. So we're not alone in marveling at those who get by without any stretching of any sort. Although, once again, the definition of what constitutes stretching can be quite narrow or broad, and there are at least four types--static, dynamic, active, and passive. Some people do yoga or sit in a squat position, for example, but don't consider this stretching. Others are so committed to an anti-stretching ideology that they use the euphemism 'lengthening.'

My lower leg muscles are almost always tight to some extent after a run, but especially so after a long, aerobic run. And yes, I don't always feel it, but when I massage them with my stick, I find that they are. So now I roll automatically, as a preventive measure. I also agree with Dutchie that the hamstrings connect to just about everything involved in running, so stretching those puppies out good is also high priority for me. I don't do any specific stretching for my upper body, just doing all the leg stuff seems to take care of that.

I may hit 30 mpw for the first time this week, so my mileage is decent (for a recreational runner), but even at lower mileage, stretching along with massaging has been key to remaining injury-free. Also keep in mind that some of the folks who don't stretch do have issues with trigger points that never seem to go away, while still others find themselves having to rest once in a while because an unexplainable pain in the metatarsals or PF flares up. No one wants to hear that stretching may help, so I've learned to shut my trap for the most part.

I also have a sit-stand desk, and it's great, and recent studies have indicated that even low-level activity like standing has great benefits. I also like to get on the floor of my office and stretch out from time to time. Helps a lot.
 
And that's why we are such unique individuals Lee, what works me/you not necessarily means is going to work for others. we find our own ways to keep our bodies healthy and ready to go.
 
And that's why we are such unique individuals Lee, what works me/you not necessarily means is going to work for others. we find our own ways to keep our bodies healthy and ready to go.
Couldn't agree more (didn't I just say that?). I only object to mindless preconceptions, like when people are having trouble but still refuse to try something different, or when they aren't having any trouble, but feel obliged to change or mess with it because it's the 'right' way to do it. Barefoot runners seem to generally be a very open-minded lot, but certain ideas have become orthodoxy amazingly fast for a movement that is only a few years old. It should be clear by now that they are many ways to skin the cat.
 
Couldn't agree more (didn't I just say that?). I only object to mindless preconceptions, like when people are having trouble but still refuse to try something different, or when they aren't having any trouble, but feel obliged to change or mess with it because it's the 'right' way to do it. Barefoot runners seem to generally be a very open-minded lot, but certain ideas have become orthodoxy amazingly fast for a movement that is only a few years old. It should be clear by now that they are many ways to skin the cat.
Exactly! Try something and if it doesn't work then try something else until I find what works for me and me only.
 
I think a big thing that has barely been touched on, and only superficially, is your lifestyle and how that may affect your need to stretch. For me, if I stay on my feet all day and move around my legs loosen up naturally on their own and I don't really have to stretch or roll my legs much, BUT, mostly I am very sedentary (I sit a lot) and my legs tighten up horribly bad while sitting so I have to do the stretching and rolling otherwise I develop injuries from the legs being tight. I haven't seen too many people say what their lives are like and whether or not they stretch or roll, but Gentile is a perfect example as he says he is on his feet a lot throughout the day and all he does is hose his legs down. I would be really curious to see who's pretty sedentary (sitting a lot) and who is active in relationship to if they feel the need to stretch or roll out their muscles due to tightness issues.
 

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