Mileage Reporting 49th week of 2012

Are you guys signed up?
I am going to check with my SO and see how busy his schedule is he might be in the middle of registration(Academic Aviser) and if he's free I am game!
Yah, we're both signed up, although I'm wondering if I did the right thing. Hard to say for sure where my running will be by then, after this fall of setbacks, but hopefully it'll all work out. If I don't make enough progress I'll just bail, but if I can get on top of this ITBS I should be able to add a mile a month to my max distance run up until then.
I also signed up for a 10k in April, it was just 20 dollars, and it's down between the bridges on the Mississippi where I often like to run. I figured it was time to find out what all this talk of races I've been reading about here at BRS is all about.
 
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You'll be ready to kick some hiney by then...all healthy. It's going to be tons of fun!
I went to the site and it says that registration is going to be open soon. So where did you sign up?
 
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If I were in your place, I would run on tired lead legs and wonder why they weren't getting better (the story of my running, often).
My recommendation, though? Give it an extra day of leg rest. Cross train or whatever. What I am starting to try to remind myself of lately is that the lead leg or cramped feeling, or any running when the legs aren't ready, sucks a good portion of the joy from the activity, aside from opening you up to more injury risk. Better to take an extra day and have joy and no lead legs for your next run.
I'll play tomorrow by ear. Hopefully todays run blew out the all the junk that built up and tomorrow will be back to normal. Today I ran in shoes which may have been part of the problem. Tomorrow I will run in my Pah Tempes. Kinda sucks when it's raining and everything is flooded and shoes get soaking wet like they did today. They warm up pretty fast but that water being held to the foot by the wet shoe sucks.
 
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You'll be ready to kick some hiney by then...all healthy.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. Where you been anyway? The forum's too big without you.
It's going to be tons of fun!
It's a loop course, not a circuit, but it's just one loop, down on Shepard Road, which is quite pretty. It lays low close to the river with a regional park on one side, and bluffs and downtown St. Paul seen up above--definitely its best side--on the other.
I went to the site and it says that registration is going to be open soon. So where did you sign up?
I dunno, looks open to me: https://mnrunningseries.ngin.com/register/form/464408278
 
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Thanks for the words of encouragement. Where you been anyway? The forum's too big without you.

It's a loop course, not a circuit, but it's just one loop, down on Shepard Road, which is quite pretty. It lays low close to the river with a regional park on one side, and bluffs and downtown St. Paul seen up above--definitely its best side--on the other.

I dunno, looks open to me: https://mnrunningseries.ngin.com/register/form/464408278

Glad to hear you missed me :). Twice a year it gets too busy here and I barely have time to breath but I am glad to be back.
So I'll take it that the route is BF friendly?
 
As for the strength work yeah I would always recommend someone to lift more and run less. Especially since it is winter for you, I definitely plan to do the same in the summer. Remember when you start if you add something you should cut something back or out to compensate initially. Its really important if you are adding both strength and speed at the same time.
Looks like Intervals and Sprints might be the way to go for me, at least for a few weeks:
http://coachdeanhebert.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/a-hiit-with-runners/
Then doubling the squat, deadlift, box, lunge type work twice a week.
Kind of rebuild myself as a runner.
Only problem is I might need shoes if I push past 7mm pace on the track, we'll see.
 
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I cant get the link to work?
Wow yeah, that site is weirding out all of a sudden. Hmmn. Should've cut and pasted it while I had the chance. It was a recent post too, so I wouldn't think the site has become defunct.

Basically, he was saying that 2.5 hours of HIIT intervals per week is equivalent in benefit to 10 plus hours of endurance running. But it was a more complicated argument than that. I think I saw the same study or studies quoted in Sweat Science.

Here's something I came across trying to Google search that article from a different angle, to no avail.

http://running-advice.com/blog/?tag=coach-dean-hebert

I'm more of text than a video guy, because I like to skim for what I want, but it could be a good site to check out while snacking or something.

OK, here's something similar.
http://running-advice.com/blog/?p=800
Will have to look for more later.
Maybe Coach Dean is focusing on this second site now, and has let other one I first linked to lapse.
 
Monday mile repeats for a total of 5 mi
Tuesday a 3 mi recovery run
Today stairs workout followed by hip/back exercises
 
Decided to take today as a rest day. Legs are still a bit sore and it may be better to just let them rest another day.

You know Nick walking is also a good way to get rid of the lactic acid build up. Legs feel worse when they rest too much(sorry).
 
Basically, he was saying that 2.5 hours of HIIT intervals per week is equivalent in benefit to 10 plus hours of endurance running. But it was a more complicated argument than that. I think I saw the same study or studies quoted in Sweat Science.

I was able to read the google cached version thanks Sid.

Most of this seems to be fed by the tabata protocol. I've heard similar statements and would definitely consider adding tabatas in.

Just out of curiosity what are your plans/goal in regards to running? I know you have talked about longevity and running medium distance races in the future. Is this it? The problem with these different but specific training ideas is they are a little too generic to reach most peoples goals. No matter what they say tabatas are not going to prepare you to run a half marathon.

BTW maybe you should send a video with a check, for me to analyze, I've decided to take up coaching :p
 
I was able to read the google cached version thanks Sid.

Most of this seems to be fed by the tabata protocol. I've heard similar statements and would definitely consider adding tabatas in.

Just out of curiosity what are your plans/goal in regards to running? I know you have talked about longevity and running medium distance races in the future. Is this it? The problem with these different but specific training ideas is they are a little too generic to reach most peoples goals. No matter what they say tabatas are not going to prepare you to run a half marathon.

BTW maybe you should send a video with a check, for me to analyze, I've decided to take up coaching :p
On a weekly basis, I'd like to run 4-5 hours at a decent pace, like 8 mm or less, for an average of something like 30-35 miles per week. That's pretty much my plan or goal. Then do that for as long as my body will let me, maybe cutting back to 25 mpw when I get up in my 90s :confused: .

The question is how to get there.

When I first started running consistently again, in spring of 2011, I followed the usual recreational runner's protocol of slowly increasing distances, with an attendant gradual increase in pace. But I was hampered by TOFP for much of time. A sports med doc told me in September of 2011 that it was a stress reaction/fracture. Then around March of this year it seemed to have cleared up, and I got up to around five miles at 9 mm pace soon after. That's about what I was doing in Chicago when I last ran consistently.

Around this time I started tuning in here at BRS on a regular basis and started hearing about folks running much greater distances. That piqued my curiosity. How far could I run?

I also started hearing talk of form, cadence, low heart rate, and all the rest, pretty much for the first time. One day I did spontaneous fartleks, before I even knew they had a name I think (could be wrong about that), and I liked the feeling of going faster and being winded and I also noticed that my form, to the extent I could objectively perceive it, felt a lot smoother at faster paces. Then I read that hills are good for increasing speed. So I started doing hills.

More reading over the summer, and I learned that most serious, competitive runners do a variety of runs, a mix of endurance runs, stamina runs (tempo or threshold type runs) and speedwork, like shorter intervals or hill sprints. Each kind of running trains a different aspect of running physiology and biomechanics. Cool. So at the beginning of September, I started doing intervals down at the high school track, and some tempo runs on my out-n-backs. My pace picked up pretty quickly. Then I got the random MCL injury at the beginning of October, and my running has been regressing since then, mostly because I've been impatiently trying to get back to where I was before the injury. This impatience, as you know, has provoked some ITBS, after a ill-advised attempt at 10 miles just a few weeks into my active recovery phase.

OK, I read up about ITBS, and everyone says it's due to weak hip muscles and/or sudden increases in mileage. People seem to be divided as to whether rolling and stretching help or if they just alleviate the symptoms. Then yesterday you post that link about how running faster can alleviate ITBS.

So, since I can't run far without risking ITBS anyway, it would seem to make sense to spend a few weeks focusing on lower body strength-training and running faster intervals. Then, after a fashion, I'll work my tempo runs back in and eventually my endurance runs, getting back to the three-times-a-week combo of endurance, stamina, and speed I had going in September.

Then, when the pace on my longer runs is starting to get decent, I may back off a bit on the speed work, maybe do it just a few times a month, and do more endurance or stamina running.

I'm not really interested in racing, but I thought it would be fun to check it out, since so many people here at BRS do it. And since Dutchie signed up for that half in August here in the Twin Cities, I thought it would be fun to do it with him, and Dama too, if she can work the trip into her schedule. So the goal is to work up to 13-15 miles as my max run by then, and, if possible, be able to do it in two hours or less.

But the main goal is really just to run decent distances at decent paces and remain injury-free. Once I get to a base-level of running fitness, I'll probably treat it more like strength training and stop obsessing about it so much.

If you or anyone else has a different or modified idea of how I can get there, given my recent running history, I'd appreciate hearing it. I just want to run fast enough that I feel smooth, and far enough that I can get into that nice, meditative zone several times a week, and sleep soundly at night. It would be nice to be a bit fitter too, but the doc says my gauges already look good, so that's kind of a secondary concern.

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But the main goal is really just to run decent distances at decent paces and remain injury-free. Once I get to a base level of running fitness, I'll probably treat it more like strength training and stop obsessing about it so much.

Lee, I am going to say this only once.
Get your obsession about pace out of your stuborn mind just run as what feels comfortable and forget about speed for the time being.
Once you stop focusing so much on pace and start running comfortable all will fall into place.
There! I said it! so shoot me now.
Aren't you glad I am back? :)
 
Thanks, but the only reason I think about pace is because it feels good--I'm not worried about performance, anymore than I care about what my max bench is.

I think the problem has been obsessing about distance. I was doing OK until I started wanting to up the distance too quickly. I could actually run faster last spring than I can now. I know there's a common perception that speed leads to injuries, but I've looked into it a bit, and I don't know if it's true. Volume appears to be the main predictor of injury rates. High volume, poor technique, and sudden increases in speed or pace seem to be the main problems. Since my technique feels better at faster paces, it seems to make sense to run shorter distances at faster paces until I'm running injury-free again.

But you're right, maybe I shouldn't think about this stuff at all. Problem is, I wasn't trying to do anything in particular on the day I hurt my MCL (BTW a doc confirmed your diagnosis--thanks again), and in fact I was actually trying to run slower than I had started out on that run, because I had strung together 4-5 tempo runs in a row, and thought I should lay off a bit. This would appear to confirm my hypothesis that my technique is better when I run a bit faster. Still, I think the main problem was the fact that I had been sitting in the car driving that day, and so my knee was stiff from being bent too long, and then I didn't warm up properly before the run.

So I dunno. As you know, injuries are frustrating, and until I figure out this ITBS, I don't think I'll be able to stop thinking about it. My insomnia has reappeared over the last few weeks of low running time, so I'm anxious to get back into the game.
 
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But you're right, maybe I shouldn't think about this stuff at all. Problem is, I wasn't trying to do anything in particular on the day I hurt my MCL (BTW a doc confirmed your diagnosis--thanks again), and in fact I was actually trying to run slower than I had started out on that run, because I had strung together 4-5 tempo runs in a row, and thought I should lay off a bit.

Lee, all I am saying is do what feels right to you just don't increase speed and distance at the same time.
I still think that you got injured when doing your strengthening workout(wrong technique maybe?) and not by running.
For me it was easier to work on distance when I started running and by the time I was able to run 25mpw my speed improved without me even trying. Something to think about.
 
Yah, I know there's that approach. I just think the fact that I injured my MCL while trying to run slower than felt right could, if anything, endorse my suspicion that I need to run slightly faster. The day after I did my lower body lifts I ran close to 7 miles at 9:26 pace, no problem. Then two days after that I try to consciously amp down a bit and get the MCL thing.

But I'm not really worried about the MCL injury. Jason got it earlier this year too. I'm thinking of it as a one-off freak injury that's more or less behind me. I don't feel it anymore. The ITBS, on the other hand, it appears to me, could easily become chronic if I don't back off and take it easy on the distances, because the two times it's come on for me have both been been times when I've tried to increase distance too quickly--once in August, and few weeks ago just a few weeks into my active recovery from the MCL thing.

Anyway, time for some deadlifts.
 

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