No eating before or during running?

#61
"I certainly accept that some

"I certainly accept that some people with adult diabetes might have difficulty fine tuning a diet to completely rid them of the condition, but common sense leads me to believe it would be a small percentage. If we threw the type of money we currently do for diabetes meds into dietary approaches the results would be way better."



Just because people don't do it, doesn't mean it cannot be done - there is no way to know if it would be a smalle percentage or not. The worst thing is "experts" telling people that the very food that is killing their pancreas is the food they need for "brain function" - what if the threshold for a particular diabetic to get off meds is 70 carb grams a day, but they are warned they may never go below 120 a day - and they get sicker, and sicker, and sicker for want of a simple fix. They might meet people who've gotten off their meds and are successfully controlling theinr blood sugar through diet (and if that is not "cured" I don't know what is - just because you cannot ever eat a Twinkie again does not mean you have pathology). No money should be going towards telling people what to eat. It should be going towards PACS and political advocacy orgs that make sure the USDA and FDA do not allow things that are not food to be called "food". And do not allow for extensive junk food subsidies. And both the ADA's and the AHA should be defunded for spreading bunk science.
 
#62
Well I didn't really mean

Well I didn't really mean shifting money towards telling people how to eat (although some good guidelines and education would be nice) - one of the main things that could be done would be shifting agricultural subsidies away from corn. We need to diversify out agricultural portfolio to make good produce cheaper and more accessible instead of thinking of all the thousands of food you can shove corn into.
 
#63
When did the BRS, a group

When did the BRS, a group founded on promoting the tolerance of barefoot and minimalist running, become so intolerant of others opinions? I am always amazed at the evolution of threads like this, whether they be about the "evils" of vibrams, or shoe companies in general, or differences in diet, or training technique.

This topic started out simply enough. SP read a thread about a different training theory, and decided to try it. He was simply sharing his experiences and asking for thoughts and experiences from the rest of us. Somehow the thread came to bash hospitals, dieticians(including one of our own), research scientists, and the government. Nate finally spoke, makling what should have been the closing arguement. Pay attention to what Nate says. He doesn't post often, but when he does, it is always worth reading.

As barefooters, you want your lifestyle choice to be respected and accepted by society. So why dont you try showing a little more respect for the choices of others in this group. I left here once already because of all the minimal shoe bashing that goes on. I can't stand the term "foot coffin" and get so tired of reading about how minimal shoes should cost a minimal price. Oh yeah, and stop blaming advertising and comercialism for helping spread the evils of shoes. We are all adults, with brains, who can make up our own damn minds.

Now, as for your little arguement about diet, let me add my two cents worth. Your all wrong. Quit centering the debate around diet. Get your friends to live an excersise centered life. As soon as Americans get off their collective lazy asses, our diet becomes less important. There was a thread on here a month or so ago about Americans and exercise. Only we could consider washing dishes as light exercise. The generations that came before us had diets much higher in fat, included tons of whole grains and sugar. My Granfather ate a pound of bacon every day, and soaked the grease up from the pan using a piece of bread. He never had heart problems. My Grandma drank a half gallon of raw milk every day. She lived to be 90, and enjoyed a full and happy life in old age. The difference between them and us is, they were farmers. They worked hard phyically every day of their lives.

So instead of jousting at windmills, trying to change society in one big swing, start small. Get a friend or family member to start exercising. My wife got me running, and now I have my friends and family members running with me. Ieven got one of my running buddies to switch to a pair of NB minimus shoes. He's not barefoot, be he's definately running more efficiently. It used to be when I went for a run in my neighborhood, I was the only one out there. Now, I see 3 or 4 people every time I go. For a small rural comminity like mine, thats pretty amazing.

I am proud to think I have contributed to my neighborhood being a healthier, happier place.
 
#64
dirtdemon77 wrote:Now, as for

dirtdemon77 said:
Now, as for your little arguement about diet, let me add my two cents worth. Your all wrong. Quit centering the debate around diet. Get your friends to live an excersise centered life. As soon as Americans get off their collective lazy asses, our diet becomes less important. There was a thread on here a month or so ago about Americans and exercise. Only we could consider washing dishes as light exercise. The generations that came before us had diets much higher in fat, included tons of whole grains and sugar. My Granfather ate a pound of bacon every day, and soaked the grease up from the pan using a piece of bread. He never had heart problems. My Grandma drank a half gallon of raw milk every day. She lived to be 90, and enjoyed a full and happy life in old age. The difference between them and us is, they were farmers. They worked hard phyically every day of their lives.So instead of jousting at windmills, trying to change society in one big swing, start small. Get a friend or family member to start exercising. My wife got me running, and now I have my friends and family members running with me. Ieven got one of my running buddies to switch to a pair of NB minimus shoes. He's not barefoot, be he's definately running more efficiently. It used to be when I went for a run in my neighborhood, I was the only one out there. Now, I see 3 or 4 people every time I go. For a small rural comminity like mine, thats pretty amazing.I am proud to think I have contributed to my neighborhood being a healthier, happier place.
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My thoughts and experience used to be very similar to yours in terms of diet and exercise. Maybe part of it was age. My thoughts were that 80 to 90% of good health was about exercise, and that what I ate had very little to do with it. But my thoughts have shifted on this, mainly because of my experience over the last year. I now see what I eat as being about maybe 80% of what contributes to decent health, and exercise as maybe 20%.

Fortunately, my addiction to running forced me to start looking at ways that I could get healthier so that I could run more. Ironically, even though I'm healthier now, I'm not running any more than before, maybe even a little less, but I'm enjoying just being healthy for its own sake.

As far as laziness. I have more energy now than before, which makes me less lazy. I know other's people experience may be different, but that's mine.

For me at least, good health isn't something that comes about from any kind of special effort. It's just what my body does on it's own. The only thing I had to do was stop eating the things that were undermining my health. No special willpower, no super human effort, just simple changes.
 
#66
dirtdemon77 wrote:Now, as

dirtdemon77 said:
Now, as for your little arguement about diet, let me add my two cents worth. Your all wrong. Quit centering the debate around diet. Get your friends to live an excersise centered life. As soon as Americans get off their collective lazy asses, our diet becomes less important. There was a thread on here a month or so ago about Americans and exercise. Only we could consider washing dishes as light exercise. The generations that came before us had diets much higher in fat, included tons of whole grains and sugar. My Granfather ate a pound of bacon every day, and soaked the grease up from the pan using a piece of bread. He never had heart problems. My Grandma drank a half gallon of raw milk every day. She lived to be 90, and enjoyed a full and happy life in old age. The difference between them and us is, they were farmers. They worked hard phyically every day of their lives.
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I am sorry, but I must respectfully disagree with you. What you eat, believe it or not, determines how much energy you have and how great you feel. So, if all you eat is grease and meat, let just say that you are not going to feel like "tending the farm" or "exercising" everyday. In reality, laziness is ingrained in malnourishment. In other words, if your body does not get the proper nutriton it needs, you will always feel "hungry" or "tried." This is the reason why many Americans have health problems.



-Joe
 
#67
back when dirtdemon's

back when dirtdemon's grandparents ate that way, food was real. it wasn't taken over by rockafeller and monsanto and their stooges like it is now. they pretend to tell us what is healthy meanwhile taking our choices away and giving us gmo's.

diet is everything. everyone here in the US knows the saying "you are what you eat". what we tend to eat here is junk now. there is nothing wrong with fat. it's what lines every cell in your body.

just like bfr we are not going to change anyone's opinion by telling them they are wrong. that never works. the only way to change others is to do nothing. let them see how happy and healthy you are. if they ask, great. if not then at least you don't scare them away like a barking junk yard dog.



have fun kids. this is a short ride here on earth.



Mike
 
#68
I used to eat breakfast, then

I used to eat breakfast, then bike ten km to my one hour 6 am tri swim with a bunch of sadistic ironman.



Halfway through the swim I would loss energy, then finish strong.

The coach suggested I eat more breakfast, but after talking to the other athletes I decided to skip breakfast all together. I just ate something before going to bed.

The low in the middle of my swim disappeared, no more energy fluctuations.



I used this strategy for ironman. On race day I showed up for the swim with a empty gut but a full tank of gas
 
#69
I got pretty strident in this

I got pretty strident in this thread and I apologize, but I was never talking about choices people were making for themselves, I was talking about choices being made for them and misinformation given to them by their caregivers ( we were talkng about food given to diabetics in the hospital) and government. Everyone should be given a variety of options for managing their health, not dogma brought to you by the cereal companies.
 
#70
20 miles today and pretty

20 miles today and pretty sure I'd have been fubar without my food before and during :p

To each their own, the body does need carbohydrates though it's not to say that you HAVE to get your carbs from grains. Luckily there are lots of foods out there that provide good amounts of the things our bodies need :)
 
#71
Nice run Zumba!Today I had a

Nice run Zumba!

Today I had a big plate of sweet potatoes fried in bacon grease with a little olive oil on top for lunch then about an hour later I went on my bike/run workout as I didn't have a chance for a morning ride. Since I ate all those carbs I made it a harder workout instead of the usual slow/easy. If I hadn't ate lunch then it would have been 19 hours between meals...a bit too long for me.
 
#73
I really don't like eating

I really don't like eating before or during extensive excersise...on my 20 miler two weekends ago, two gels was sufficient with a handheld bottle filled with Nunn, still running strong at the end, no boinking...and four hours before that I had only eaten 2 english muffins with nuttella on them (I do gorge the night before a long run though)....and before my 6 hour ordeal last weekend, same thing....gorge night before, morning of, 2 english muffins a couple hours before hand (nutella of course)....and during the "run" (if you can call it that) just 2 gels and gatoraide at the aid stations, and I was ok energy wise for the ordeal....I think, once again, it's just finding what is right for you, there are no "cookie cutter" answers to anything regarding individual needs.
 
#74
i ran today with joshh,

i ran today with joshh, stomper, susanne, and chris. two newer people to the group. i went to my mom's to visit her and she cooked some pumpkin with beans, carne asada, and tortillas. of course i ate more than i should have along with some mexican bread after. i didn't want to run with those guys until i got home because i was tired from eating so much and my run yesterday. i felt better though and met up with them. i felt my stomach moving midway through the run, too much food, not enough time to digest. same thing happened to me during my race two weeks ago.

i need at least three hours to digest food before running, maybe more.



Mike
 
#75
I once had a big pasta dish

I once had a big pasta dish with two beers. Then when to Starbucks for a grande and went for a run. The gastro-reflux burning took three days to heal.
 
#76
Thanks Moki.Mmmm sweet

Thanks Moki.

Mmmm sweet potatoe fries, sooo good!

Barker, that sounds like some serious gastro stress!! Eep!

Perhaps eating low glycemic index carbs are the key for mid workout consumption to avoid spiking of insulin?
 
#77
Did another 20 miler this

Did another 20 miler this weekend without eating anything before or during. Once again, felt flippin fantastic the entire way. If anything, I seem to get stronger as the run goes on (aside from muscle fatigue of course).

We'll see how we do at the marathon we're doing in May Zum. Maybe you can be the eater, and I'll be the non-eater. We'll compare notes at the end.
 
#78
Some of it is just how your

Some of it is just how your stomach reacts. I prefer not to eat alot before a run, but if I do, it doesn't really affect me unless I've eaten something that doesn't agree with me. I can completely gorge and still run and not have any distress - I really have an iron stomach. Some people seems to need to fast just to keep the trots in check. Hubby can't drink or eat if it's a running day.
 
#79
Sounds good SP You've got me

Sounds good SP :)

You've got me curious though, perhaps I'll have to try a long one without replacing fuel...
 
#80
Sunday evening I got a call

Sunday evening I got a call to go out for a night time run immediately after eating a big bowl of ground beef mixed with grilled onions and garlic. For 12 miles I was burping and belching non-stop and even almost puking a few times. And of course as soon as I had the car back in view I ended up losing a little.

I prefer to do my runs on an empty stomach. Works pretty good for me as long as I am not pushing myself too hard. I may get some hunger pains a few miles in but it goes away and I feel good afterwards. I'm still tweaking my high impact runs to find something that works for me. I have found that margarita shotbloks do quite well if I want to run hard but I'd like to find something lower carb and more natural.

I just bought the book "Slow Burn" by Stu Mittleman who is a proponant for using fats as fuel, something which I believe in. From what I understand he is low carb, high fat, and meat free except for fish (Not sure I can handle that part). He also promotes the 85% rule which says to do everything the best you can 85% of the time.



and Zumba - just a minor correction but carbs are the one thing a body can live without. Not so with fat and protein.
 
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