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I gave up running 10 years ago after suffering shin splints that wouldn't heal. Recently I read Born to Run and thought I would give it another go.

I watched a few barefoot form videos on YouTube and elsewhere then headed over to the gym. I started slow on the treadmill, running in nothing but socks. I ran a mere half-mile my first time running barefoot (or minimalist, as it were). The next day, the one thing I noticed was that I had a LOT of muscle pain (calves, specifically) but NO joint pain. I was impressed. This was about 7 months ago, maybe a little longer.

I kept at it, working my way up to 4 miles at a cadence of 168. For me, this is ~9:40/mile. Then I made the unwise decision to introduce an a small incline into my run. That led to bursitis in my right ankle.

I took one month off and now I'm back. I still run exclusively indoors. And because I got yelled at for being "unhygienic" at the gym, I ditched the socks and went with Five Fingers.

I feel great. My only issue is that I run 4 miles and barely break a sweat. I stop running not because I'm tired but because I need to allot time for life's other responsibilities.

Would I risk injury by increasing my pace? Any insights from other new folks would be appreciated. How do I transition to the outdoors? The reason I run on a treadmill is because I know I'm guaranteed a flat surface. If I run outdoors, I'll have to follow the terrain in Baltimore city and I know that involves hill, however minor they may be. I don't want to get hurt again. If it makes any difference, I'm in my late 30's.

Thanks in advance.
 
Blackhorse:

Welcome. You've come to the right place. Sounds like you've already been through most of the early stages of transitioning. I'd suggest first increasing your cadence, which will get your heart rate up more. Try to do so without increasing your stride length, though. Here's where the treadmill can hurt you - it gives you an artificially soft surface that will let you form bad habits (like a long stride and a hard landing) that the real world won't allow without damage. I don't think you run any risk of increasing your pace by increasing your cadence. Lengthening your stride, on the other hand, is a definite risk to watch out for. But if you're running and not breaking a sweat - and don't want to do so just for the fun of it - then you do need to speed up that cadence. The "average" is 180, but I find mine to settle in at about 210, so find what works for you sustainably while being challenging.

After that, I'm a huge fan of running outdoors for several reasons. First is that treadmill running works differently than road/trail running. On the treadmill, your body is working at keeping you upright and from falling off the back of the treadmill. Outside, you are propelling yourself forward (ideally by leaning forward from your ankles). This feels and behaves much differently on a rear-moving treadmill than on the stationary earth. Secondly, there's a lot more to see outside in God's world than CNN or HGTV on the wall. Thirdly, if you're stuck on a treadmill, you are limited where you can go to run. I can run anywhere in the world with a pair of shorts and a t-shirt (and maybe a pair of minimal shoes if the terrain's too rough).

As to an incline producing bursitis, that's a new one on me. I've run flat, uphill and downhill over the last 30 years without any issues other than having to work harder muscularly on the hills. I can't speak to that one, but I think a series of short trials outside with some limited hill exposure - STOPPING IMMEDIATELY IF YOU ARE HURTING YOURSELF - might be the best next step.

Glad to have you with us, and keep us posted on what's going on along with any questions that come up with your experience.
 
Welcome!
 
My start in BFR came exactly as you described yours. Only I went outside on a rocky trail for my first run. Nowadays I run in VFFs for the rough trails - live and learn.

I think Phil's got the right idea. Whatever you choose to do, just go easy on changes and you'll be fine. I think you must be one of the most patient (or risk averse) runners in the universe to run on a TM 7 months without breaking a sweat.

If you want to try outside find a park with a paved path and start with even just 100 yards. Do it on your way to the gym and it won't take any time at all, hardly. My recommendation would be to skip shoes entirely in the first phase, if you're going to take it outside. Your feet will train you better and you will pay MUCH better attention to both your form and to what you are running on.
 
Hi and welcome :)

Your story is a pretty good testament to the value of ditching the shoes.

Something you might want to start doing is leg strength work while you're at the gym. Work on the quadriceps for the most part. And ankles /calves too.
 
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Phil - Thank you for your thoughtful response. I increased my cadence to where I'm running 9 minute miles and so far, so good. I think I'll spend a few weeks letting my body acclimate to this new pace, then try to increase my distance. I'm back to where I'm sweating again and I'm no longer bored. So, thanks.

JosephTree - When I first started, I definitely broke a sweat. Over time, though, my body was able to handle what I demanded of it. I didn't increase the difficulty for fear of hurting myself. Last time I pushed too hard, I was out of running for almost a decade. Once bitten, twice shy. I'm reluctant to go without protection of some sort. I think I'll stick with my Five Fingers for safety's sake. My walk to the gym is through city streets covered in God knows what. Broken glass is a common sight. There is no park near me that I trust to be free of things that could cause me real harm.

BFwillie - I do some strength work after I run. I ignore my quads and focus exclusively on my calves and ankles. I don't have any good reason for ignoring my quads. Is there an exercise in particular that you recommend?
 
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hey there,

for the quads, this basic machine (not sure what it's called in English, doi)

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Basic idea: Alternate each leg individually. Something like 8 reps right leg, 8 reps left, repeat three times to make one set. Do three sets w/ one minute break. Set weight by first determining how much you can do 15 reps with (start with 20kilo/ 50lbs?).

Followed by 'HIT' training for each leg: Increase weight, lift slowly, hold outstretched position 5-10 seconds, lower slowly and not completely to rest (leg still under some strain), hold 5 seconds, lift slowly... repeat ... maybe three times left leg followed by three times right leg, don't alternate legs on this exercise. Legs should be shaky, jittery, by the last rep.

Excellent support exercise for the knees, which in turn support everything else.

Calves aren't that important for isolated strength work, they'll get all the work they need when you run barefoot. But the ankles, and I guess your ankles in particular, should benefit from calf work. Actually, barefoot running uphill is great for that. But you have to be sure the heels are touching and the ankles are flexing. Let the Achilles do the work (but obviously don't wanna overdo this stuff!)

But the bursitis thing is strange, so caveat emptor. Have you had it looked at?
 
hey there,

for the quads, this basic machine (not sure what it's called in English, doi)

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Basic idea: Alternate each leg individually. Something like 8 reps right leg, 8 reps left, repeat three times to make one set. Do three sets w/ one minute break. Set weight by first determining how much you can do 15 reps with (start with 20kilo/ 50lbs?).

Followed by 'HIT' training for each leg: Increase weight, lift slowly, hold outstretched position 5-10 seconds, lower slowly and not completely to rest (leg still under some strain), hold 5 seconds, lift slowly... repeat ... maybe three times left leg followed by three times right leg, don't alternate legs on this exercise. Legs should be shaky, jittery, by the last rep.

Excellent support exercise for the knees, which in turn support everything else.

Calves aren't that important for isolated strength work, they'll get all the work they need when you run barefoot. But the ankles, and I guess your ankles in particular, should benefit from calf work. Actually, barefoot running uphill is great for that. But you have to be sure the heels are touching and the ankles are flexing. Let the Achilles do the work (but obviously don't wanna overdo this stuff!)

But the bursitis thing is strange, so caveat emptor. Have you had it looked at?


I know that machine. If I do my quads shouldn't I also do my hamstrings?

I have not involved a doctor. I took ibuprofen for a week and thought the bursitis went away. Tried running again and found out in less than one kilometer that bursitis doesn't heal in a week. So I took ibuprofen for two more weeks and gave it a month's rest. That did the trick. Now I'm healthy and running further and faster than I was before I got injured.

My opinion of doctors soured years ago when I was dealing with a problem completely unrelated to running. I spent years watching doctors medicate symptoms without seriously investigating the "why" behind the "what." I'm not spending money on office visit co-pays and scheduling time for multiple appointments to be told that barefoot running is my problem and that regular shoes and orthotics are the solution. Because, you know, pills and prescriptions are ALWAYS the solution. Right?

I don't know how the doctors are in Germany, but in America I'm better off self-medicating. Trust me.

When you say "you have to be sure the heels are touching and the ankles are flexing," what do you mean by that?

Thanks!
 
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